rogerclee Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 IMPs, All White, First Seat ♠Tx ♥Qxx ♦Ax ♣KJTxxx Assume you are playing with a partner who requests you open and preempt "normally." System is 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I don't open. Everything else is worse. This is a very minimum intermediate 2 in clubs, but not 1♣ or 3♣. At least, not normally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Pass. In my usual system not of course, but in 2/1 I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Happy to pass Way too weak for 1♣Too much defense for a preempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Pass. Not tempted to open 1 with a 6322 10 count. 3C just randomizes. Doesnt a later overcall describe this hand better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass. Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Pass for me. If the hand was just a tiny bit better I would open 1♣, and indeed I don't hate a 1♣ opening as it is.I do dislike a 3♣ opening, though: NV, balanced hand, a lot of defense, Qxx in a major... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Pass. But if it was MPs probably 1C :)Never 3C in any seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I'm surprised anyone is even discussing 3♣. Wasn't that intended as the "monkey" option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 1C But it is a mood thing between Pass and 1C.The good thing is, I dont have a rebid problemand the suit quality is ok, the bad thing is, it issubminimum. I wont open 3C. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 3C always. Randomize this hand with partner knowing I have 6+C. Big advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass. Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning. I don't understand why you're surprised I consider both of the bidding "problems" that you posted trivial...I'd be shocked to see any serious debate regarding the right bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass. Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning. I don't understand why you're surprised It's sad when personal insults don't come as a surprise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass. Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning. I don't understand why you're surprised It's sad when personal insults don't come as a surprise... I guess the main difference is that I didn't consider the original post particularly insulting. My original reaction reading the posts was "Why are you bothering to post this"? The ♠Qxxxx ♥QJTxxx ♦x ♣x hand struck me as almost ridiculous... I don't find it shocking that someone would point this out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I think it is a good thing to throw some rope to people who take the trouble to post problems. I voted for pass, and as a problem in a vacuum it may or may not be clear. In real life I wouldn't worry if partner chose to open 1C or even the universally reviled 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Clear pass, keep posting the easy ones pls. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I voted 1♣ but that's because I'm in a bad mood this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I voted 1♣ but that's because I'm in a bad mood this morning. So horrible things happen when you are in a bad mood? You make me shiver.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Is this a serious question or are you posting to get your post numbers up? Pass. Wow, a bridge insult AND a personal insult. You are really on the ball this morning. I don't understand why you're surprised It's sad when personal insults don't come as a surprise... I guess the main difference is that I didn't consider the original post particularly insulting. My original reaction reading the posts was "Why are you bothering to post this"? The ♠Qxxxx ♥QJTxxx ♦x ♣x hand struck me as almost ridiculous... I don't find it shocking that someone would point this out... Okay, maybe this needs some clarification. 1) I talked to the Hog. We agree it was not an insult.2) If you think this is a WTP, that's fine. There is a substantially nonzero number of people who voted 1♣. I agree that 3♣ is a bad bid and would personally rank them Pass > 1♣ > 3♣, but not with as much difference as you seem to think. As with all preempts, there are many ways where 3♣ can gain or lose.3) The other hand I agree should probably not have been posted. I at least posted it in B/I. I was not actually curious about the answer. There is a boring story, and let's say that that debate has been settled. If the worst thing I ever do is create a unanimous poll in the B/I forum about something obvious, I will be fine with that. Also I observed that nobody has commented that if you play Drury, you will have to bid 1NT after partner's third seat 1M. Not that I think this is a big deal, but the small stuff matters a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Obvious pass. 2C in a precision system. 3C is only for a 3rd seat bid where anything goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 IMPs, All White, First Seat ♠Tx ♥Qxx ♦Ax ♣KJTxxx Assume you are playing with a partner who requests you open and preempt "normally." System is 2/1. Pass. You do not have a hand good enough to open 1♣(need fewer losers or more Quick Tricks) nor do you have a hand with high enough offense/defense ratio to open 3♣ "Normal" with this hand is "pass". So pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I suppose pass in 2/1 is mandatory. We would normally open this hand 1♣. I don't think pre-empting is right on a hand with so many negatives - bad shape, poorish suit, no guarantee they are close to game etc etc. Pretty much I have given up routinely pre-empting at the three-level on 6-3-2-2 hands. I would make an exception with a great suit. As for Drury I don't play that. If we have passed 1Maj 2minor shows 6-9(10) with a six-card suit for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I suppose pass in 2/1 is mandatory. I thought the reasoning behind sound openers in 2/1 was the pressure put on the 2/1 response by a light opening. When the opening under consideration is 1C, that factor shouldn't come into play. I'm not suggesting that this hand should be opener 1C, just curious why 2/1 is a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I suppose pass in 2/1 is mandatory. I thought the reasoning behind sound openers in 2/1 was the pressure put on the 2/1 response by a light opening. When the opening under consideration is 1C, that factor shouldn't come into play. I'm not suggesting that this hand should be opener 1C, just curious why 2/1 is a factor. There is something to be said for maintaining a consistent lower limit. If a pass in 1st seat denies an unbalanced 10-count, it gives partner more freedom to preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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