GF??

[gwnn]

1♠-1NT

2♥-2NT

3♠

[helene_t]

I think this has to be forcing, too bad if opener has a minimum but it is more important to be able to bid the better hands. Maybe it would make sense to play some kind of Woolf here.

[Tomi2]

this sould be nonforcing because both could not force (1NT and 2♥) but since both show a hand that sees chances for game (2NT and 3♠ instead of 2♠on the previous round) it should not be passed

[655321]

Forcing for me - showing a good hand 6-4 in the majors.

[dake50]

Partner's rejecting simple preference after 2H established GF already.

[awm]

I'm sure that "old-fashioned" standard says to rebid 2♠ with a 6-4 minimum, and thus this sequence would be forcing.

 

However, nowadays I think most people rebid 2♥ with almost all 6♠-4♥ opening bids, in order to find a possible heart fit. In this style, it makes sense to play 3♠ as non-forcing. There are many ways to force game in this auction, for example three of either minor would seem to be a game force (so could bid longer minor with 64xx) and opener can always bid 4♠ with partner's hand reasonably well described.

[helene_t]

No, 2N was not forcing.

[jillybean]

NF, invitational 6-4(5)

Hasn't opener limited their hand with 2♥?

[gwnn]

NF, invitational 6-4(5)

Hasn't opener limited their hand with 2♥?

a simple rebid shows somewhere between 11 and 18 hcp.

[jdonn]

In order to make this NF you would have to have 3 of a minor be artificial. It just doesn't seem worth it to me. Forcing is much more playable and what I think should be assumed. After all if you are very minimum and your spades are so good that you're sure you can play there opposite a singleton, those are the hands that would rebid 2♠ instead of 2♥ imo.

[han]

Helene said it all in her first post.

[Guest Jlall]

It is clearly better to play 3C as a relay imo, and I do in a couple of partnerships, but barring that 3S is forcing

[bobbywjch]

quote jdon: if you are very minimum... would rebid 2♠ instead of 2♥ imo.

3S is forcing because of what jdon said.

[jdonn]

quote jdon: if you are very minimum... would rebid 2♠ instead of 2♥ imo.

3S is forcing because of what jdon said.

I like the support, but it's because of what I actually said. The part where you put ... is important! It's like the movie reviews that are quoted as "....action-packed joy ride..." when the full review was "This movie makes me want to take an action-packed joy ride to the bathroom and vomit."

[jillybean]

1♠-1NT

2♥-2NT

3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

[Cascade]

1♠-1NT

2♥-2NT

3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

That is a very good question.

 

My normal agreement is that 3Major over 2NT is forcing and 3minor is non-forcing.

 

Here if 1NT is standard non-forcing then there is a strong case for 3♠ to be non-forcing.

 

If 1NT is forcing and hence 2NT invitational then I think 3♠ needs to be forcing.

[awm]

If 1NT is 6-9 NF, what is 2NT?

 

Elianna and I play it as 5-5 or more in the minors, but I'd be surprised if this was standard.

[jillybean]

1♠-1NT

2♥-2NT

3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

That is a very good question.

 

My normal agreement is that 3Major over 2NT is forcing and 3minor is non-forcing.

 

Here if 1NT is standard non-forcing then there is a strong case for 3♠ to be non-forcing.

 

If 1NT is forcing and hence 2NT invitational then I think 3♠ needs to be forcing.

I was getting to that :)

[gwnn]

1♠-1NT

2♥-2NT

3♠

Is 1nt 6-9 nf or forcing here?

It was forcing - I'm pretty sure that a 6-9 hcp hand can't rebid 2NT here.

[pclayton]

U hold AKxxxx Kxxx xx x. 1S - 1N - ?

 

3S is NF. I can pattern with a stronger hand and get a doubleton preference.

[gnasher]

U hold AKxxxx Kxxx xx x. 1S - 1N - ?

 

3S is NF. I can pattern with a stronger hand and get a doubleton preference.

That's what I'd do too, but it's not perfect. Presumably 3♥ would be non-forcing too (eg AKxxx Kxxxx xx x), so you'd have to bid 3♦ with any of these hands:

 

AJxxxx KQJx Ax x

AJxxx KQJxx Ax x

AQJ10x KQxx K10x x

 

Doing something artificial with 3♣ and/or 3♦ seems a better idea. You have only six hand-types to show - weak 6-4, forcing 6-4, weak 5-5, strong 5-5, strong 5=4=3=1, strong 5=4=1=3, so any reasonable scheme would work.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I dont care, but without discussion I would take

the bid as nonforcing.

 

Opener made a nonforcing 2H bid, i.e. he cant be

looking for slam, and Responder described his hand

fairly tight, so he should bid game, if he thinks the

partnership should be playing game.

And if he is not sure, which one is better, maybe

neither makes if reponder passes.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe