irdoz Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 [hv=n=sxhaq109xxdajxcakx&s=sajxxxhxdq10xxxxcx]133|200|1h-1s-3c-3d3h-4h-ap[/hv] This is a hand from the Vugraph tonight I have a couple of questions about. I always have troubles with this hand not playing a strong club system. I have played around with putting 18-19 nt hands in a multi so you can free up 2nt for other purposes and even putting these hands in 2c and amending the usual 2c structure - but in usual 2/1 I manufacture a jump shift on a 3-card suit which has often ended up badly. So my questions are: 1. Is there any common system for responder enquiring about hand type after 1M-1s/nt-3m? 2. After the 3d bid (4th suit) should opener bid 3nt or their 6 card heart suit? If they bid 3nt n/s might find 6d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogeshdg Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 This auction for me and p goes 1♥-2♦-3♥-3♠-4♦-4nt-5♣(0314)-6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 This auction for me and p goes 1♥-2♦-3♥-3♠-4♦-4nt-5♣(0314)-6♦. 3♠/4♦ = cuebids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogeshdg Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 This auction for me and p goes 1♥-2♦-3♥-3♠-4♦-4nt-5♣(0314)-6♦. 3♠/4♦ = cuebids My regular p i meant (and we obviously know our bidding) But whether we can make 6♦ is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 This auction for me and p goes 1♥-2♦-3♥-3♠-4♦-4nt-5♣(0314)-6♦. 3♠/4♦ = cuebids My regular p i meant (and we obviously know our bidding) But whether we can make 6♦ is a different story. You sat down with your partner and decided that it was better for 3♠ to be natural and 6-5 rather than a cuebid after a jump-rebid in a GF auction, leaving yourself with only 4♥ as agreeing hearts as trumps? Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 1. I have seen a number of people play that a jump shift into clubs (1M-1X-3♣) can be an artificial game force with a one-suited hand. This makes the jump shift into diamonds always a real suit. In this case (or anyways over 1M-1X-3♣) it's common to use 3♦ as an asking bid, where opener rebids 3M on a one-suited game force and makes any other rebid (basically natural) to confirm real clubs. A nice alternative method is to play Gazzilli (opener's 2♣ rebid is forcing and includes all very strong hands). 2. With a nice heart suit like this one, 3♥ is the right rebid. Partner can always bid 3♠ as a last-ditch attempt to reach 3NT, which opener will accept. Note that 3♣ is game forcing so a 3♠ rebid by responder would be natural and forcing (1♥-1♠-3♣-3♠ natural forcing). Thus a sequence like 1♥-1♠-3♣-3♦-3♥-3♠ is probably not a serious suggestion to play in spades opposite a non-fit (responder would bid 3♠ not 3♦ with that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Don't really understand the 4H bid in this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Non expert here, I would have bid it:1h=1s!3c=3d3h=4d5d?=p? 1s=walsh style, bid a 4 card major before long minor with invite or less.5d?=sounds likepartner has 4 spades and long d, sort of stuck here. May miss slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Not sure about the "Opening 2♣" idea. The tweaking of Opener's calls after a forcing 1NT with a 2NT rebid and/or tweaking 2♣ helps a lot, though. Transfer, or "one under," rebids also might help. BTW, and as an aside. Opening 2♥ and 2♠ to show 5-6M, 4-5♣, 11-15 or so (light opening), in standard or 2/1 loses weak two's but helps with opening up options in forcing 1NT sequences and in resolving the high-reverse problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 1 ♥ 1 ♠ 3 ♥ 4 ♥ I am not made in America, so I am still no big fan of the fake jump and I am glad with my jump to 3 Heart which needs about 2 tricks from pd to make game. If I would play the fake jump, the bidding would be 1♥ 1 ♠ 3 ♣ 3 ♦ 3 ♥ 4 ♥ no matter whether 3 Diamond was asking (what I would prefer) or showing a second suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I think the north hand has a very tough call at round 2. There are arguments, of varying degrees of soundness, for: 2♣: obviously best if one plays a version of Gazilli or Cole, but some would advocate it even without these agreements: one of the commentators on vugraph said that Kokish would surely bid 2♣. It is not quite as silly as it may sound, because of the inadequacy of the alternatives 3♣: probably the consensus expert choice: this hand is a minimum, perhaps even a sub-minimum for a game force when the hearts are suspect, we don't have real clubs, and we have a stiff in partner's suit. Adam noted that some players (me amongst them) use 3♣ as artificial... after opening 1♥, the jumpshift shows either very good hearts or real clubs... the problem is that this hand isn't really either 2N: this distorts the major suit length, but is otherwise right on values... however, the distortion is probably unacceptable to most players. 3♥: this gets the heart suit into context and doesn't distort the shape, but could be bid with a full King less, so is a major strength distortion Assuming no agreement that 2♣ is forcing, I'd rank the calls as 3♣ 100, 2N 80, 2♣ 60 and 3♥30. As for what responder is to bid: 3♦ over 3♣ seems normal, even if it is probably futile... it's main benefit is to allow opener to suggest the denomination... and that will NOT include diamonds, since 3♦ would not, to most experts, promise a suit... it is a stall. Opener might, for example, be 3=5=1=4 or 3=6=1=3 etc and now we get to spades. As for the 3♥ rebid by opener.. I'd prefer 3N with that hand. Having seen the 3♥ rebid, I'd think that 3♠ would be the more popular choice compared to 4♥ (with 3N a distant 3rd choice), but I don't think that 4♥ is horrible. As for the poster who claimed that they'd respond 2♦ and then, over 3♥, rebid 3♠ and find their way to 6♦...... if intended as a joke, well done.. if intended seriously... well, your methods are certainly a long, long way from mainstream B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Don't really understand the 4H bid in this auction. Wasn't this your partners' auction, Justin? I'd think you would be happy B) oops, nm. I think your Ps were in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Don't really understand the 4H bid in this auction. Wasn't this your partners' auction, Justin? I'd think you would be happy B) oops, nm. I think your Ps were in 3NT. This was my opps auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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