cherdano Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 3. 3♣. Maybe the partnership hasn't discussed what a double means here. Maybe it doesn't show this hand type. 3♣ is a serious overbid. Wouldn't you make the same call on Ax x KQxxx AQJxx? No certainly not, 3♣ is not forcing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 3. 3♣. Maybe the partnership hasn't discussed what a double means here. Maybe it doesn't show this hand type. 3♣ is a serious overbid. Wouldn't you make the same call on Ax x KQxxx AQJxx? No certainly not, 3♣ is not forcing... That depends on what books you read. In my literature, 3♣ shows extras and invites pard to 3NT. If you want to compete and 2NT good-bad is not available.. well, sorry, you'll have to see if pard can balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I have some sympathy for opening 1♦ on some 4-5 hands but I totally fail to see how any hand that's worth an opening when you have this 'usually open 1♣ mentality falls to a 1♦ opening when you have a void, especailly a heart void. What if LHO bids 1♠ and partner doubles? What if partner responds NT without competition? I'd want to have started 1♦ in these cases. Also partner may be able to raise diamonds to the 3-level over a 1♥ bid when he couldn't raise clubs except maybe to the 2-level. Opening 1♦ has some merit. What on Earth is the problem with 1♣-1N on this hand? You have found your club fit, don't worry, be happy.I agree 1♣ (1♠) X is a problem, but it is the only problem auction I can see. I am surprised 1♦ is drawing so much sympathy. A lot of people play 1c-1n-2c as showing 6 clubs. You could get raised to 3♣ on Hxx if partner has a max. Also if opps jump in after 1N and you rebid clubs, pard may overcompete. Not big problems, but not no problem either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 What on Earth is the problem with 1♣-1N on this hand? You have found your club fit, don't worry, be happy.I agree 1♣ (1♠) X is a problem, but it is the only problem auction I can see. I am surprised 1♦ is drawing so much sympathy. 1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (p) ? 1♣ (p) 1♥ (1♠) ? I guess I don't see why so many are so in love with 1♣, and I almost never open 1♦ with 4-5. It's not like this is some amazing club suit to be missing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 What on Earth is the problem with 1♣-1N on this hand? You have found your club fit, don't worry, be happy.I agree 1♣ (1♠) X is a problem, but it is the only problem auction I can see. I am surprised 1♦ is drawing so much sympathy. 1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (p) ? 1♣ (p) 1♥ (1♠) ? I guess I don't see why so many are so in love with 1♣, and I almost never open 1♦ with 4-5. It's not like this is some amazing club suit to be missing! Ok the first one is a problem, but is almost the same as the problem auction I gave. What on earth is the problem in the second auction? Am I not allowed to pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 A lot of people play 1c-1n-2c as showing 6 clubs. I don't see why you need 6 clubs. Pard is virtually guaranteed to have at least 3 of them (else 1♦ reply), so 2♣ needs only 5 cards. Ok, maybe in competition pard couldn't bid diams, but it's still pretty good odds he has 3 clubs. Heck, even a 5-2 fit is ok at the 2 level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 This is a sick thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 What on Earth is the problem with 1♣-1N on this hand? You have found your club fit, don't worry, be happy.I agree 1♣ (1♠) X is a problem, but it is the only problem auction I can see. I am surprised 1♦ is drawing so much sympathy. 1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (p) ? 1♣ (p) 1♥ (1♠) ? I guess I don't see why so many are so in love with 1♣, and I almost never open 1♦ with 4-5. It's not like this is some amazing club suit to be missing! Ok the first one is a problem, but is almost the same as the problem auction I gave. What on earth is the problem in the second auction? Am I not allowed to pass? Sure but I'd be a lot happier having bid both suits. I guess I see 1♦ solving a bad rebid problem sometimes, and being a better suit anyway so it just doesn't bother me. I mean say you open 1♣ and get the second auction and pass. What have you gained? Partner doesn't know you have five clubs anyway, so you have in a sense hidden both suits. I'll toss in one more, just our side bidding. 1♦ 1♥ 1♠ 1NT I am easily bidding 2♣. 1♣ 1♥ 1♠ 1NT now I have to pass, which again doesn't make me warm and fuzzy. Partner could be 5-5 in the red suits for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 The bidding is fine. They lack discussion of what their bids mean in competition especially what 3♣ means over 2♥ here and possibly whether this hand is a 1♦ or 1♣ opening. Personally I do not like 1♦ openings on this sort of hand and I would not compete over 2♥ with a possibly misfitting hand with only a 5-4 hand especially when partner might give a preference to diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 3. 3♣. Maybe the partnership hasn't discussed what a double means here. Maybe it doesn't show this hand type. 3♣ is a serious overbid. Wouldn't you make the same call on Ax x KQxxx AQJxx? No certainly not, 3♣ is not forcing... That depends on what books you read. In my literature, 3♣ shows extras and invites pard to 3NT. If you want to compete and 2NT good-bad is not available.. well, sorry, you'll have to see if pard can balance. Agree with this - 3C is a serious overbid and the worst call in the auction. Also there is nothing wrong with the 1D opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 What's wrong with a t/o double by west over 2♥? That surely must be better than 3♣ by far. That's the flexible call and keep all three suits in the picture. I'd open 1♣, not 1♦. Agree that 3NT is an impossible bid over 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I dont like 1D. 1Nt is better then X imo. over 2H, X is too likely to be passed & passing 2H is sick. So 3C is the only bid. I like to play GB here but in both case 3C is 100% to play. So i give 95% of the blame for the 3Nt bid and 5% for 1D opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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