hrothgar Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 So, this weekend was the final match of the Flight B GNTs. Our team got destroyed. (I actually asked if we could withdraw after the third quarter)On the bright side, I think that our defensive methods over the mini NT and the Romex 1m opening worked quite well. (I do have the unfortunate feeling that partner might have forgotten methods on a couple occasions). On the down side, I forgot to alert a bid and thought we were playing NAMYATS when we were. Luckily, the "forget" didn't cause any problems for the other team and even the NAMYATS glitch didn't cost all that much... District 25 had recorders watching the whole match. The recorders will provide a complete write up this week. When this occurs, I'll start posting some hands. Short term, here's a question for the peanut gallery... The auction starts (1♠) - X - (3♠) - 4♣(P) - 4N What do you think 4NT means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I think 4NT is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I think it is RKC for clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I'm guessing RKC for ♣'s too. Well done getting to the finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I'm not sure what the best use of 4NT is, but imagine that 98% of players in unexperienced partnerships in Flight B GNT events will think it is RKC for clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Recorders watching the match? I've never heard of such a thing. A recorder's job isn't to 'record' the record of the play, its to make a record of indiscretions that are reported. Is this what you meant Richard? Sorry about the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Recorders watching the match? I've never heard of such a thing. A recorder's job isn't to 'record' the record of the play, its to make a record of indiscretions that are reported. Is this what you meant Richard? Sorry about the final. No, he meant recording the play for later reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Think I'll take it as blackwood for clubs, but.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 RKCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Recorders watching the match? I've never heard of such a thing. A recorder's job isn't to 'record' the record of the play, its to make a record of indiscretions that are reported. Is this what you meant Richard? Sorry about the final. Sorry, I should have been more clear: District 25 likes to have someone present to record the hands, auctions, opening leads, and the like. This occurs in all GNT finals (assuming that the teams acquiesce)... I don't think that is has anything to do with concerns about ethical issues. Rather, the District likes to write things up for the web page. I'll post a link when the article become available. Thanks for the condolences, but it was a pleasant match. I left feeling that the other team deserved their trip to Vegas... Can't ask for more than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Absent agreement, I would assume keycard, even tho I am usually a believer in the adage that 'if it can be natural, it is natural'. I choose keycard because it seems to me unlikely that 4N is the last makeable spot here.. if we can make 4N we rate to make 5♣ most (tho not all) of the time. After all, the takeout doubler has at least 19 hcp and partner made a constructive 4♣ call opposite an assumed 1=4=4=4 12 count. And while I love bidding slams without resorting to keycard, this may be a sequence in which there is no real choice..... AQx KQJx Ax Kxxx. Of course, we hope we are playing 1430 so we can stop in 5♣ opposite x xxx KQx QJxxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 District 25 likes to have someone present to record the hands, auctions, opening leads, and the like. I believe this is an individual initiative taken by the District 25 webmaster who also writes tournament recaps for the webpage. He may enlist the help of others in recording matches and/or relaying stories. I would be very surprised if District 25 has done anything to make this happen (other than making a wise decision when it came to selecting a webmaster). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Of course, we hope we are playing 1430 so we can stop in 5♣ opposite x xxx KQx QJxxxx. You mean 0314? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Without any agreements, RKC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I'm going to start posting full hands. Over the weekend I should be able to provide a link to the write up provided by the district web master. [hv=n=sqjt73hkj75da54cj&w=s6h93dj73ca1098543&e=sak9ha1042dkq9ckq6&s=s8542hq86d10862c72]399|300|[/hv] On this hand we produced the following auction (South was Dealer) (P) - P - (1♠) - X(3♠) - 4♣ - (P) - 4NAll pass Needless to say, 6♣ is a fine contract. I was West and decided to pass over partner's 4NT. I'm still wondering whether Pass, 5♣, or 6♣ is the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I'm going to start posting full hands. Over the weekend I should be able to provide a link to the write up provided by the district web master. [hv=n=sqjt73hkj75da54cj&w=s6h93dj73ca1098543&e=sak9ha1042dkq9ckq6&s=s8542hq86d10862c72]399|300|[/hv] On this hand we produced the following auction (South was Dealer) (P) - P - (1♠) - X(3♠) - 4♣ - (P) - 4NAll pass Needless to say, 6♣ is a fine contract. I was West and decided to pass over partner's 4NT. I'm still wondering whether Pass, 5♣, or 6♣ is the right call. I might bid 6♣ rather than 4NT with your partner's hand. You have competed with 4♣ so you will have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I might bid 6♣ rather than 4NT with your partner's hand. You have competed with 4♣ so you will have something. Could that something be x xx AJxx ATxxxx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Any reason why you didn't preempt with the West hand? If youre 2nd seat, I understand, but I hope you don't start babbling about mixed strategy Richard :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Any reason why you didn't preempt with the West hand? If you're 2nd seat, I understand, but I hope you don't start babbling about mixed strategy Richard :rolleyes: It was actually red v white, 2nd seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 In my opinion, 4NT was natural. 4♠ should be RKCB for clubs. As to what to do over 4♣, I can't argue with jumping to slam or bidding 4♠ first, regardless of what your agreement (or lack thereof) is as to the meaning of 4♠. 4NT really doesn't help much, and it seems to me that you want to play this hand in clubs, as partner should have at least 6 (or a good 5) to introduce the suit at this level. Even if partner interprets 4NT as natural, it doesn't show this good of a hand. By the way, how did partner intend 4NT? Quite frankly, I can't tell by looking at his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Any reason why you didn't preempt with the West hand? If youre 2nd seat, I understand, but I hope you don't start babbling about mixed strategy Richard :rolleyes: As Tim points out, I was red and they were white Doesn't look like a 2nd seat vulnerable 3m preempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I think east should bid 6♣ without having firm agreements. Just be practical. For what I think things should mean, 4NT natural, 4♠ strong club raise, no keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Any reason why you didn't preempt with the West hand? If youre 2nd seat, I understand, but I hope you don't start babbling about mixed strategy Richard :rolleyes: As Tim points out, I was red and they were white Doesn't look like a 2nd seat vulnerable 3m preempt OK. You didn't mention vulnerability. Its why I asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I might bid 6♣ rather than 4NT with your partner's hand. You have competed with 4♣ so you will have something. Could that something be x xx AJxx ATxxxx? No I would bid 5♣ with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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