h2osmom Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 [hv=s=sjxhaqjxxdkxcaqjt]133|100|[/hv] 2D on your right, do you double or bid 2h? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 First, is this IMPS or MPs, and who is vulnerable, and what was 2♦? Assuming that 2♦ is a weak 2 in diamonds I mostly prefer 2♥.But there is some risk of missing a game ('...if we get by this round...'), so vulnerable at IMPs I would consider double instead. 2NT is also a possibility, I would not choose it because Kx is not a good stopper, and we are offshape and a touch over strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Double, passout is a much more real possibility after a 2 level overcall than a 1 level overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 This is a very good 17-count, the Kx is great behind the diamonds and our suits are wonderful. I'd also double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 This is a very good 17-count so good that it's actually 18! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Double. Not only because of the strength but I think the auction will flow smoother this way. If LHO raises and pard passes, I have a 3♥ call. If I overcall 2♥ 1st, its very difficult when 3♦ comes back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2osmom Posted March 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Thank you! So, I did double with this hand, and then lho bid 4d, and pd bid 4s, p p to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Thank you! So, I did double with this hand, and then lho bid 4d, and pd bid 4s, p p to me. Gotta pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 X then pass. Feel sick about the second one, but I think it is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 This is a very good 17-count so good that it's actually 18! Now you know why some think I downgrade a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I know that it is en vogue on BBF to play off shape doubles if there is a remote possibility that a bid in a suit will be passed around. For my taste, doubling with this hand takes this idea too far, I would bid 2 Heart, knowing about the risk and the votes from the young expert. If I had doubled, pass of 4 Spade is quite obvious. The insufficent trumps makes a slam try impossible. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I know that it is en vogue on BBF to play off shape doubles if there is a remote possibility that a bid in a suit will be passed around. Errr, no, I think it is exactly the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 At the 1-level I'd just make the overcall with this hand. At the 2-level it's a little different. All passing over 2♥ is very possible. I'll double - reluctantly. If partner bids 4♠ I just have to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I would overcall. These 1 vs 2 level arguments don't make much sense to me since a 2 level overcall shows a better hand to begin with. Also I will take up a lot of room if I double then bid hearts. But I still don't think double is bad. Have to agree with han as for how I see the bbo forums trend on these problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I know that it is en vogue on BBF to play off shape doubles if there is a remote possibility that a bid in a suit will be passed around. Errr, no, I think it is exactly the opposite. What did I miss? I thought all doubles did so, because they feared 2 HEart would be passed too often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I would overcall 2♥ on these cards. What happened at the table is not unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roupoil Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 That's funny, I had quite the same feeling as Codo about the doubles. As a matter of fact, most of the people here double more than I do (maybe one of the many reasons why I'm not an expert...). Well, I would bid 2♥ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I would overcall. These 1 vs 2 level arguments don't make much sense to me since a 2 level overcall shows a better hand to begin with. You will routinely bid with random 8/9 counts over a 1H overcall (1N or w/e). You would routinely pass these hands after a 2 level overcall of a preempt. There are many hands you would raise over a 1H overcall that you would pass over a 2 level overcall (5-7 counts). This is because the raise to 3 commits to 9 tricks in a spot where the opps can never compete, so youre jeopardizing seriously your plus in 2H. If you have 6 points and a fit after a 1H overcall its normal to raise because you are never going to play 1H and you only commit to 8 tricks anyways and partner has room to game try and you can sign off (where over the raise to 3 he just has to guess whether to bidgameornot). Having a lower minimum for a 1 level overcall than a 2 level overcall is not really relevant at all, and does not come close to the importance of being 1 level higher to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Isn't being one level higher to double and bid your suit also much worse, especially on a minimum for that? Being a level higher just hurts all auctions. Besides I don't see why stopping in 2♥ instead of forcing to at least 3 couldn't be a good thing. But I could probably be convinced to double I have to admit. I'm sure I wouldn't have though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Isn't being one level higher to double and bid your suit also much worse, especially on a minimum for that? Yes, but in terms of missing games it is much more likely to happen if you overcall 2H on an 18 count rather than 1H on an 18 count. Obviously getting too high by Xing is more likely after 2x than 1x. In general I follow the "give partner 7 HCP..." rule and I think that I don't want to miss game opposite hands around that strength, and I think it will happen too often. Obviously stopping in 2H opposite hands partner can have could be a good thing, but I just think that all in all I'm willing to take my chances of getting too high or getting preempted out of ever showing my suit in order to not miss game opposite fairly common hand types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogeshdg Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thank you! So, I did double with this hand, and then lho bid 4d, and pd bid 4s, p p to me. This is why you dont x carol and overcall 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 yes Yogee, one hand proves everything. X and hearts is fine. why is it that the better a poster is, the less likely he is of patronizing the others? I'm very glad that this is true, but it's still an interesting tendency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I'd love to bid 2♥ but it is simply too risky. Partner will have 8 or 9 points and no heart fit too often and have nothing to say. So we risk missing game. 2NT seems a perfectly reasonably alternative to the double and 3♥ suggested in the opening post. I will try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I'll risk having pard pass: 2♥ for me. If we miss game, I can always say "preempts work".. lol (yeah I know, lame excuse.. :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I'd love to bid 2♥ but it is simply too risky. Partner will have 8 or 9 points and no heart fit too often and have nothing to say. So we risk missing game. 2NT seems a perfectly reasonably alternative to the double and 3♥ suggested in the opening post. I will try that. So which hand do you give him? Kxx,Kx,xxx,Kxxx? He can raise, can't he? But this is about he worst hand, I can construct without a bid. (Ok, KQx,x,Qxxx,Kxxxx is bad either) With 4 or more spade, he can bid 2 Spade, with a stopper he can bid NT, with clubs clubs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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