luis Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s652h64dk762cakt2]133|100|Scoring: IMP1s-pass-1N*-3h4d-pass-? 1N=forcing (2/1)[/hv] Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s652h64dk762cakt2]133|100|Scoring: IMP1s-pass-1N*-3h4d-pass-? 1N=forcing (2/1)[/hv] Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps. Now what? Do I agree with 1NT? No, but then I have changed my responding scheme so that 1NT forcing never includes 3 card support, weak or strong. What next here? I have no idea, and neither will anyone else. Parnter could have two ♥ and a ♠ losers so going past 4♠ is death, or partner could have a ♥ void and a rock crusher and 7♠ is laydown. I guess I would cue-bid 4♥ in the hope this is a general slam try with one fit or the other (sort of last-train), but not sure this will be clear to parnter who might take it for an actual ♥ stopper. However, I do know how I would bid this if I was playing my way.... I would have responded 2♣ with south hand. I will not repeat all the hands it could be (in another thread), but when WEST jumps to 3♥ and my partner bids 4♦ I know that he has a void in ♥s.. Why? Because we play garrazzo 2/3 doubles on this auction. A pass over 3♥ would show 1 or 4 ♥, a double would show 2/3, and a direct bid would show a void. Now, I am in the cat bird seat facing a ♥ void. I think a nice fat blackwood or immediate 5♠ bid is in order. Now what if partner passed over 3♥, now I know singleton or four hearts. Since I am looking at two hearts, I refuse to believe it is four. However, I can double and partner will pull with one if I am worried about him having four. Or, armed with the knowledge that partner has a stiff ♥, I can go ahead and bid my 3♠ bid (like you were going to do), to show this hand. I would actually double (also 2/3 double), and partner will bid 3♠ minimum and something else with maximum and singleton ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s652h64dk762cakt2]133|100|Scoring: IMP1s-pass-1N*-3h4d-pass-? 1N=forcing (2/1)[/hv] Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps. Now what? Do I agree with 1NT? No, but then I have changed my responding scheme so that 1NT forcing never includes 3 card support, weak or strong. What next here? I have no idea, and neither will anyone else. Parnter could have two ♥ and a ♠ losers so going past 4♠ is death, or partner could have a ♥ void and a rock crusher and 7♠ is laydown. I guess I would cue-bid 4♥ in the hope this is a general slam try with one fit or the other (sort of last-train), but not sure this will be clear to parnter who might take it for an actual ♥ stopper. However, I do know how I would bid this if I was playing my way.... I would have responded 2♣ with south hand. I will not repeat all the hands it could be (in another thread), but when WEST jumps to 3♥ and my partner bids 4♦ I know that he has a void in ♥s.. Why? Because we play garrazzo 2/3 doubles on this auction. A pass over 3♥ would show 1 or 4 ♥, a double would show 2/3, and a direct bid would show a void. Now, I am in the cat bird seat facing a ♥ void. I think a nice fat blackwood or immediate 5♠ bid is in order. Now what if partner passed over 3♥, now I know singleton or four hearts. Since I am looking at two hearts, I refuse to believe it is four. However, I can double and partner will pull with one if I am worried about him having four. Or, armed with the knowledge that partner has a stiff ♥, I can go ahead and bid my 3♠ bid (like you were going to do), to show this hand. I would actually double (also 2/3 double), and partner will bid 3♠ minimum and something else with maximum and singleton ♥. Playing Garozzo doubles your pd would have bid double showing (2/3 hearts).But I wonder how does opener bid a two suiter playing Garozzo doubles? If he doesn't have a void in hearts he can't bid 4d ? How do you handle two suiters Ben? I'm interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Playing Garozzo doubles your pd would have bid double showing (2/3 hearts). But I wonder how does opener bid a two suiter playing Garozzo doubles? If he doesn't have a void in hearts he can't bid 4d ? How do you handle two suiters Ben? I'm interested. Well, hopefully some our our italian friends will help with this as far as it is played in the wild. What I will describe is my understanding of garrazzo 2/3 double. First, I only use it on two auctions. Where we have redoubled and are looking for potential penalty of the opponents who step into our auction. And after my 2♣ response to a 1M opening bid. It works for me here because the 2♣ bidder is either really GAME FORCE hand, or balanced hand with game invite+ stregnth and no support, or the kind of hand you showed here. So after... 1M-p-2♣-BID... openers choices are.... If bid was below 2M, opener can bid 2M as the I am sorry I opened hand, this DOES NOT nor deny a void. Can bid anything else, promises a void. Pass and double are both within the confines of 2/3 double... pass shows 1 or 4+, dbl shows 2/3 in that suit, and a hand to good to bid a nonforcing 2M on. So if I have a void and a two suiter, I simply bid my second suit. If I have a singleton and a second suit, I pass first, then bid my second suit when given the opportunity. This is subject to preemption, but this is a very dangerous preempt, as from my pass, my partner will be able to work out the LOTT nicely, and I can double back in next time to show the unbid suit.... if they get too high, partner will know it. I have gotten a few nice results when parnter bids 2♣ with a balanced hand, no real ♣ suit, and we have no great fit and they stick in a bid and I make a 2/3 double and partner has 3 in that suit as well... yummy. But imagine your auction above with 2♣ subsituted for 1NT, and partner passes over 3♥. I have a choice of options, 3♠ to show 3 card raise and if I double, a parnter with two suiter can bid 4♦ now, to show two suiter (legnth is a questoin). Also, can bid 4♦ over 3♠... slam try implications clear, and with ♥ control (singleton). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s652h64dk762cakt2]133|100|Scoring: IMP1s-pass-1N*-3h4d-pass-? 1N=forcing (2/1)[/hv] Do you agree with 1NT ? South's plan was to jump to 3s next showing a limit bid with 3 trumps. Now what? How about 5c? Though i wont try it with pickup pd. After pd showed 55 at least in s and d, it seems logical to play 5c as cuebid for d spt. Otherwise, I will bid 5d, take the sure cash. Given pd's bid, I dont think 5D will be unsafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Yes, I agree with 1 NT.We have a double fit and I do have a nice hand for my 1 NT bid, all the hand is about is pretty much how many ♥ my pd has, and also how good his ♠ and ♦ are. I will bid 5 ♠ and hope pd is on the same wavelength, if I was short in ♥ I would have bid 4 ♥. So he must know, hopefully, that I am asking about his trumpsuit and his ♥ holding. And no, I don't play Exclusion Blackwood in pd's opening suit. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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