over prec 1diamond

[jillybean]

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ Q6 ♥ QJT76 ♦ QJ863 ♣ 2

 

West North East South

 

 1♦!   Pass  1♠    Dbl (intending to correct ♣ to ♦)

  

 

1♦ precision

 

 

Comments on the double please?

[paulg]

Playing with sceptic again?

 

Sorry!

 

I mean that double is a call that might seem like a good idea at the time, but really it's a losing proposition. Not to mention the fact that correcting clubs to diamonds is not a correction but a cue bid showing a good hand.

 

And what if partner bids 3♣?

 

So pass and hope to back in later.

 

Paul

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

It matters what kind of precison the opponents

play, how many diamonds on avg. the double

shows.

 

After that, decide, if you treat the 1D opener as

natural or artifical.

 

Assuming you treat the 1D as artificial, than your

proposition is ok, although there is another issue

to keep in mind:

Just ask your self, if you would make a t/o after a

nomal 1 level opener (promising clubs) and after a

spade response.

Most likely you would say, you are too weak for a t/o,

and this is the case here as well.

The problem is, the 1D opener is tighly limited, and

responder can judge fairly precise, if they have game

or if they should go for blood.

 

If you treat 1D as artifical, than I would suggest, that

you make a Michaels Cue bid of 2S.

 

Personnally I would treat 1D as natural, and pass.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[skjaeran]

Whatever number of diamonds the opening promise and however you treat it, this isn't close to a double. Clear pass. You (or partner) might back in later if appropriate. Doubling now is asking for trouble.

[jillybean]

1♦ = 1+ and from memory 12-14

[P_Marlowe]

1♦ = 1+ and from memory 12-14

Look at the following calculation with a little bit

caution:

 

Ok, now assuming they open 5 card mayors,

this means 1D will be a singleton. if opener

happend to hold a 4441 shape.

 

Those shapes occur 3% of the time, if I remeber

correct, i.e. the singleton will occur at most 1% of

time.

 

My guess is, that at least 50% of all 1D openers will

be based on a 4 card diamond suit.

 

=> Treat the opening as natural.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Gerben42]

The way I play it, the 1♠ cancels the use of ♦ as opponent's suit. This means that we react as if opponent's suit is ♠, and ONLY ♠.

 

--> At this point, 2♦ for example would be natural, and 2♠ Michaels.

 

That said, I think your idea is good but the hand not good enough to bid.

Also, you could bid Michaels if you wanted to (rather than the normal "natural" meaning of 2♠ here).

 

Anyway I would have just passed.

[jtfanclub]

The way I play it, the 1♠ cancels the use of ♦ as opponent's suit. This means that we react as if opponent's suit is ♠, and ONLY ♠.

 

--> At this point, 2♦ for example would be natural, and 2♠ Michaels.

 

That said, I think your idea is good but the hand not good enough to bid.

Also, you could bid Michaels if you wanted to (rather than the normal "natural" meaning of 2♠ here).

 

Anyway I would have just passed.

I like this method. Double with hands that would double an opening 1♠ bid, and bid 2♠ with hands that would bid 2♠ over 1♠.