jillybean Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dealer: East Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ T7 ♥ A9 ♦ QJ843 ♣ KJ72 West North East South - - Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 yes, open this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 yes, open this.Now watch the votes for yes go up ;) I did and it was ugly... [hv=d=e&v=a&n=sakj8hj63da7c9865&w=sq43h87dt952caqt4&e=s9652hkqt542dk6c3&s=st7ha9dqj843ckj72]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠ Pass 2♣ Pass 2♥ Dbl 3♦ Pass 4♣ Pass 5♣ Pass Pass Pass I had options with my bidding, a rebid of 2♦ would show a bad hand but nothing like this distribution. 2nt after 2♥ would show the ♥ stopper but I hoped 3♦ was less encouraging. 4♣... I cant pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Someone should find their way to 3NT with these cards. It won'r make either, but it has better chances than 5C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Someone should find their way to 3NT with these cards. It won'r make either, but it has better chances than 5C Right, 2♥ is game forcing so I should just take it on the chin and show my ♥ stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I would open this as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I think south should definitely pass over the double, take advantage since there is nothing really worth saying. Then 3♣ by north, 3NT by south, probably north would pass and at least you wouldn't be doubled (I know 5♣ wasn't doubled but that's just lucky since it should have been.) If north pulled to 4♣ I would definitely play that nonforcing when there has been any interference, since south's auction would have shown doubts about 3NT. I am probably getting out of the realm of B/I though ;) I also agree with opening the hand. If it's your style to pass I don't consider that awful but opening is definitely a majority action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I would have opened as well. Perhaps as North, after FSF either bid 3♥ to check for a stopper (or even half-stop) in hearts or take a chance in 3NT (expecting a heart lead) after 3♦. I really do not like 4♣ seeing that South would almost certainly have only 4 of them (for the lack of a 3♣ rebid). At the end of the day, as is said by many on the forums, one hand proves nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 At the end of the day, as is said by many on the forums, one hand proves nothing. True, but it is very helpful to look at the different options I had to continue the bidding ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I would open this all the time. You have chances of 3NT played the other way up Kathryn. You should pass the X of 2H and now your pd can bid 3H showing half a stopper.You were lucky you weren't doubled btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I'd also open this hand (as you all know :) ). But I know many who won't. I think I'd have rebid 1NT instead of 2♣, but that's a close call. That might have induced a club lead, letting me make 3NT, btw. Not that that proves anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Hi, it is ok, and I would open it. Switch the minors, and opening is a lot less clear.As it is, you have a easy rebid. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hrothgar Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 For what its worth, I was sitting North on this one: I probably wouldn't have opened the South hand, but I don't have any real strong opinion either way. I'm not a big fan of the 3♦ rebid. I think that either Pass or 2NT would has been much more descriptive. After the 3♦ rebid, I was expecting that partner most likely held 6-4 in a minors (maybe 6-5). What I find surprising is the number of people who think that its worth trying for 3NT after partner has denied a full Heart stopper. Yes, Qx in Hearts will provide a Heart stopper. Even so, this looks like a hand that is going to play better in a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I wouldn't open the South cards, but I've seen worse, it's a matter of partnership style what a minimum opening bid looks like. The problem was over the double of 2H. Without any specialised agreements, I would pass it showing doubt about what to do: 3D sounds like six diamonds. It doesn't show a weaker hand than pass. Getting out of B/I territory slightly, in my regular partnerships I have a meaning for redouble of the double of 4th suit here: it shows a heart stop that is happy to be dummy, such as Ax(x), Kxx, QJ10 etc... allowing partner to bid NT with Qx and have the contract right-sided. But I wouldn't try that without prior discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 I open this it is close to the border vulnerable though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 yes, open this.Now watch the votes for yes go up :rolleyes: I did and it was ugly... [hv=d=e&v=a&n=sakj8hj63da7c9865&w=sq43h87dt952caqt4&e=s9652hkqt542dk6c3&s=st7ha9dqj843ckj72]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠ Pass 2♣ Pass 2♥ Dbl 3♦ Pass 4♣ Pass 5♣ Pass Pass Pass I had options with my bidding, a rebid of 2♦ would show a bad hand but nothing like this distribution. 2nt after 2♥ would show the ♥ stopper but I hoped 3♦ was less encouraging. 4♣... I cant pass I redouble to show a partial stopper heart stop - i can always bid NTs later if I want with Ax. Partner can then bid 2NT with Jxx. My second choice over the double is pass not 3♦ or anything else. For me XX = 100 Pass = 50 at most Anything else much worse at that point in the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Thanks for the very helpful replies, hopefuly next time I will do something smarter than the 3♦ panic button. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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