1 HCP but lots of shape

[han]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sxhxxxxxxxdxxxxcj]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

What would you open?

[Guest Jlall]

I'm ok with 3H white. I think it's between 3 and pass, 2 is just too misdescriptve.

[655321]

Pass.

Second choice 4♥, if only because they can't bid 3NT over that.

Don't really mind 3♥, really hate 2♥.

 

Edit: Just noticed this is beginner-intermediate forum. Why?

Edited February 29, 2008 by 655321

[mikeh]

I really don't think that we should be advocating 3♥ (or anything but pass) in the B/I forum.

 

Now, that may be because I just became eligible for some seniors' discounts, but the thought of opening this hand at equal vulnerability in 1st seat makes me feel physically ill.

 

If I had to open: I'd bid 1N and pass the hoped for transfer... when I was younger (last Sunday?) it would have been 2N

[jillybean]

pass

[han]

I really don't think that we should be advocating 3♥ (or anything but pass) in the B/I forum.

I don't agree with this. Can't be that bad for beginners to read that some experts would consider opening 3H with this hand while that idea would make others physically ill.

 

I passed when I had this hand btw, but I would have bid if white vs red.

[pclayton]

This 7-4 is just enough to put it over the 3♥ bar. I'm pretty nutso w/r though (you knew that)

[han]

Yes but this is w/w Phil. You were north btw.

[kgr]

Yes but this is w/w Phil. You were north btw.

...so 3rd hand? 3♥ or 4♥ then.

[han]

No, Phil was north but he didn't have this hand.

[mike777]

I really don't think that we should be advocating 3♥ (or anything but pass) in the B/I forum.

 

Now, that may be because I just became eligible for some seniors' discounts, but the thought of opening this hand at equal vulnerability in 1st seat makes me feel physically ill.

 

If I had to open: I'd bid 1N and pass the hoped for transfer... when I was younger (last Sunday?) it would have been 2N

ahh 2nt .....I think I saw Justin also open 2nt the other day with a weak hand......learning all the time.

[Echognome]

Pass because of wasted J.

[Cascade]

Pass ...

 

If we move this to the advance and expert forum THEN I would ...

 

 

Pass!!!

 

I can't see any advantage in bidding and you might do serious harm to your partnership trust when partner raises to 4♥ on his nice 16 count and you escape for 300 or 500.

[rogerclee]

3♥ for me; there goes my vow to not preempt on junk. I like 7-4 way too much to pass this one. This has a couple of ways to gain; it would be really pessimistic to assume -500 against air.

[gwnn]

This isn't junk, it's a good hand with hearts but not quite opening strength. 3♥

[Cascade]

This isn't junk, it's a good hand with hearts but not quite opening strength. 3♥

So what do you open when you have an extra jack?

[kenrexford]

Pass.

 

If the seven-bagger were spades, maybe. Not with hearts.

[han]

That's interesting Ken, I've always thought that preempting with hearts is more important than with Spades. Is it a coincidence that McCallum says to "open 4H as much as possible"? Although that's also a rule easy to abuse, I think that there is a lot to say for preempting more aggressively in hearts than in spades.

[kenrexford]

That's interesting Ken, I've always thought that preempting with hearts is more important than with Spades. Is it a coincidence that McCallum says to "open 4H as much as possible"? Although that's also a rule easy to abuse, I think that there is a lot to say for preempting more aggressively in hearts than in spades.

I think that there is a difference between the three-level and the four-level as to major preempting, personally. I may be wrong, but it seems that whereas 4♥ seems to be more successful than 4♠, 3♠ is more successful than 3♥.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

 

Make it green vs. reg, and I would open 2H.

Thats our partnership agreement, and I will

stick to it.

 

If your partnership agreements allows 2H or 3H,

than go ahead.

 

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[helene_t]

Pass or 2♥. 3♥ overstates the offensive potential. In one partnership this is a clearcut 3♥ opening at favorable but thats a special agreement.

 

I think 2♥ has the merit of describing the offensive potential before it's too late, just in case p has a good hand and is stuck with length in opp's suit. And of course occasionally we may succeed in jamming opps' auction.

 

Also, if I pass, I probably cannot re-enter the auction since a delayed 2/3♥ bid would often suggest some awkward 2-suiter, it would not show this hand.

 

I lean towards pass. I don't want a heart lead and I don't want p to bid 3N on the idea that he can set up hearts.

 

As for the B/I issue I think it doesn't really matter how strong a player p is and how strong you are yourself. P will assume a disciplined preempt so when he encounters an undisciplined ones he may have tough luck, this applies regardless of level. What does matter is opps' skill level, how likely they are to mess up their own auction if we do preempt and how likely they are to mess it up if we don't.

[mcphee]

It seems the bidding disease is contagious. PASS IS A BID. Have people really become unglued to even consider bidding this garbage? In third seat you might consider 1NT or something along that line, but in first it is losing bridge to bid with these hands.

[rogerclee]

Have people really become unglued to even consider bidding this garbage?

Them's fightin' words.

[han]

OK, so say you pass. Now LHO opens a strong club, partner passes and RHO bids 1D showing a weak hand (I believe 0-5 HCP). What do you do next?

[kenrexford]

OK, so say you pass. Now LHO opens a strong club, partner passes and RHO bids 1D showing a weak hand (I believe 0-5 HCP). What do you do next?

It depends upon what we have agreed to play here. But, assuming natural, I'm acting weird. Maybe 1NT.