How do you bid these two Hands

[Gerben42]

If you bid 2NT or 2H first then you won't get to use it (unless playing with Gerben)

 

Or Fred ;). Improving 2/1 GF would go:

 

1♠ - 3♣ (cheapest JS is Jacoby)

3♥ (not minimum, only 5 ♠, with a shortness) - 3♠ (asks said shortness)

4♦ (Diamonds shortness)

...

- 7♠

 

P.S. I really like this 2/1 style, and it fits well in my system. Of course in Fantunes the S hand would be sold as "minimum with 5♠ and shortness" instead.

[mikeh]

Oh and I guess I should ask Mike if my presented alternate hand bids the same way in his auction?

 

Not to be nit-picking, but we at least thought it was guessing at grand.

Your alternate hand was Qxxxx Kx x AKxxx?

 

 

No, and it isn't even close. I would never consider a 3♣ rebid as opener. In fact, this hand, and the OP hand, demonstrate why many experts still require significant extra values for the high-level reverse. Doing so allows responder more comfort in slam auctions.

[Echognome]

Oh and I guess I should ask Mike if my presented alternate hand bids the same way in his auction?

 

Not to be nit-picking, but we at least thought it was guessing at grand.

Your alternate hand was Qxxxx Kx x AKxxx?

 

 

No, and it isn't even close. I would never consider a 3♣ rebid as opener. In fact, this hand, and the OP hand, demonstrate why many experts still require significant extra values for the high-level reverse. Doing so allows responder more comfort in slam auctions.

Qxxxx Kx x AKQJx?

 

I don't know. We rule out hands differently from standard. I just felt there were some alternatives.

[awm]

How about:

 

1♠ - 2NT(1)

3♦(2) - 3♥(3)

4♣(4) - 5♣(5)

5♦(6) - 5♥(7)

5NT(8) - 6♥(9)

7♠(10)

 

(1) Limit raise or better

(2) Shortness

(3) GF four-card raise; first or second round control of hearts

(4) Bad trumps (no 3♠ bid) but extras (no non-serious 3NT) and control of ♣

(5) 1st round ctrl at 5-lvl; denies ♦A or second top heart; promises good trumps

(6) 1st round control of ♦ (A or void)

(7) 1st-round control of hearts; cannot be ♥AK because of the 5♣ call

(8) Asking about trump qualify -- we have confirmed control of all suits

(9) Two of the top three spade honors (step response)

(10) Opener knows we have all suits controlled, all the top three trumps in a nine-plus card fit, and possible trick sources in hearts and/or clubs (if partner's 5♣ cue was ace).

[MarceldB]

Will 7♥ not be safer , waiting if you get from opponent eventually a Lightner double, so you will be able to correct to 7♠ ?

 

(I know... it will not work if your sneaky opponent with a void ♥ produces a fake Lightner double, knowing/gambling that you will correct to 7♠ ;) , but how often will this happen?)

[Free]

Bid like a noob who knows exclusion blacky:

1♠ - 5♣ (opening - excl)

5♦ - 5♥ (1/4 - Q?)

6♥ - 7♥ (♠Q & ♥K - ♦ loser goes on the 5th ♠)

[Cascade]

Bid like a noob who knows exclusion blacky:

1♠ - 5♣ (opening - excl)

5♦ - 5♥ (1/4 - Q?)

6♥ - 7♥ (♠Q & ♥K - ♦ loser goes on the 5th ♠)

And if partner had no key-cards would you bid a small slam or not?

 

Sure this approach will get you to a grand slam with some confidence but won't always help you get to a small slam.

[louisg]

The following seems simple and straightforward, yet no one else has suggested it. Am I missing something?

 

1♠-2♥

3♣(1)-5♠(2)

5NT(3)-7♠

 

(1) Extras

(2) "Bid 6 with a diamond control"

(3) "Bid 7 with 2/3 top spades"

[louisg]

The following seems simple and straightforward, yet no one else has suggested it. Am I missing something?

 

1♠-2♥

3♣(1)-5♠(2)

5NT(3)-7♠

 

(1) Extras

(2) "Bid 6 with a diamond control"

(3) "Bid 7 with 2/3 top spades"

 

 

 

It occurs to me that 5NT here might be taken as showing the guarded DK, offering 6NT as a possible contract. Perhaps it would be better for opener to bid 6♥, which invites 7♠ and should show the HK as well as 1st round diamond control.

 

In any case, my main point was in the value of responder's 5♠ call.