catch22 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=s7hakqj976dkj98c7]133|100|Scoring: XIMP[/hv] (2S)-3C-(3S)-? What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 4♥, what can u do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I can't think of any intelligent way to investigate 7♥ (or if we can even make 6♥), so I'll just bid 6♥, which should make the majority of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 5♥. Not much confidence in p being able to make the right decision on that basis but can't make up anything better. Probably some kind of transfer advances would be better here than 4♦ as a natural force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 4S, followed by 5H over 5C. Partner will initially assume that I'm showing a strong raise to 5C, but I think that when I convert to 5H it shows a slam try in hearts with a spade control. The alternative meaning is a grand slam try for clubs, but I think this is wrong on frequency grounds. 6H could easily be off two aces, or just be hopeless after partner's SA has been knocked out at trick one. At this vulnerability you're unlikely to be able to talk them into a phantom sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambolino Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 4nt, peasant bridge i bid 7 with 3 aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yes, 4N is fine if it's regular Blackwood, didn't think of that. Afraid it would be RKC for clubs or maybe something else, but OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 What helene said, 5♥ should lead to 7♥ when its right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 What helene said, 5♥ should lead to 7♥ when its right. Say what? 5♥ should lead to 7♥ if partner has a first round Spade control... You're still missing two other Aces and the Queen of Diamonds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 What helene said, 5♥ should lead to 7♥ when its right. Say what? 5♥ should lead to 7♥ if partner has a first round Spade control... You're still missing two other Aces and the Queen of Diamonds... 5♥ is a general invitation to bid 6♥, not a specific question about a specific control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 What helene said, 5♥ should lead to 7♥ when its right. Say what? 5♥ should lead to 7♥ if partner has a first round Spade control... You're still missing two other Aces and the Queen of Diamonds... 5♥ is a general invitation to bid 6♥, not a specific question about a specific control I don't think that its playable to burn this much bidding space simply to ask do you like your hand or not. How the hell is parnter ever supposed to know what constitutes good or bad. High level jumps need to ask specific questions. In this case, the only obvious question is whether or not partner has a Spade control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 If I had straight Blackwood available, then I would bid that. I expect this hand to normally make 11 or 12 tricks, though 10 or 13 are possible too. Given this, I suppose the bid with the highest expected value is 5♥. We may not get to slam all the time it is right, nor will we stop short all the time that is right, but on % we will probably do better by making this call than by making any other call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 6♥. Partner should have a good hand since he is not very likely to be short in spades. Can't see any sensible way to go about investigating this unless 4n happens to be straight blackwood by some miracle. Don't like 5♥ - how is partner supposed to know that Jxx x AQ Axxxxxx is an accept and KQ xxxx AQ KQJT9 is not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 6♥. Might make 7, might go down. 4N here doesn't help me much I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 5H has the obvious downside that partner has no heart honors and is unlikely to raise. I'll just bid 6 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 It's between the conservative, auction-ending, slam-missing 4♥ and the damn the torpedoes, full steam-ahead 6♥. On paper, I bid the slam and like to think I would at the table as well. I really don't see 4N as useful, unless partner shows 4 keycards... while blackwood would be okay, my suspicion is that virtually the entire world plays this as keycard, and 5♥ won't get the right answer with sufficient frequency to justify the chance of missing slam. I've bid slams off two cashing cards before, and I am sure I will do so again: maybe I just did :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 My problem about bidding 6♥ is that partner might raise to 7 and 1 ace might be still missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 you shoot pard afterwards, wtp? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 4H. I like to go plus. I dont like 5H, nobody knows, what this bid means,asks, and hence nobody knows, what the answersmay mean, ... unless you are a regular partnership.5H could well be constructed as some kind of supportbid for clubs, as a void or as a fit bid, ... you never know, this may sound obscure, but if partner jumpsat me with an undiscussed jump to the 5 level in a new suit, my mind starts to wander. I am to fearsome to bid 6H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 My problem about bidding 6♥ is that partner might raise to 7 and 1 ace might be still missing.I cannot come up with a hand on which partner will bid 7 where it is not close to cold: he will need more than just 3 Aces, given that he has NO high trump. Axx xx Ax AKxxxx is far from a clear raise, but assume he thinks this is worth it. If he has the 10 of hearts, we can usually ruff a diamond. If that is either unappealing or unavailable, we can try to establish the clubs and/or squeeze rho in the minors, or take a diamond hook. And so on. Going down in 7♥ is the least of my worries in terms of my selection of 6♥ B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Note that pard probably has 3 spades, in which case his 3♣ bid should be sound (with a singleton spade, pard may have streched to bid 3♣)... .. i.e. I'm talking myself into bidding 6, but haven't managed yet.. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 5♥ for me. Although I appreciate this could be very difficult for partner with heart shortage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I like 5♥. This is simply invitational. I am also amused the first poster essentially said "wtp" then the first five posters gave different answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I also like 5♥. Partner would expect a very good suit for this bid, probably solid. He'll thus look at his own suit and side controls (aces). Pretty good chance he's able to evaluate his hand correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I also like 5♥. Partner would expect a very good suit for this bid, probably solid. He'll thus look at his own suit and side controls (aces). Pretty good chance he's able to evaluate his hand correctly. Yes, I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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