jdeegan Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skj4hj73dkq10ca542]133|100|Scoring: IMPP-P-1♣-1♠2♥-3♠-????[/hv] You are playing in a BBO indie. Your partner is a starred player from a small country in eastern Europe. The opponents regard themselves as experts. This is the first board. I considered this a difficult choice of bids. Do you agree? What would your bid have been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I have a 4333 weak NT with spade wastage and only mediocre heart support opposite a PH. Pass seems clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I bid 4♥ for sure. It could be making. Maybe they make the wrong lead, like a spade to set up a club discard. If it's not making then they will often rescue me by saving, which is a huge factor. There are just too many ways for raising partner to win. Meanwhile if I pass partner will fear I'm shaded in 3rd seat and he will pass it out almost always, so I can't depend on him to save us when it's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 4♥ Although I would bid 4♥ here always, I don't feel strongly about it, if that makes sense. :) I don't expect 4♥ to make - my guess would be one down - but sometimes it will make. But sometimes 3♠ will make, sometimes they will bid 4♠ and get doubled.It just seems that good things happen more often when you support partner, even on a hand with such ratty support as this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I pass 4♥ is really an overbid here. Pard didn't open a weak 2 so he has 6 weak hearts or only 5. Our spade holding really couldn't be worse, and it's doubtful pard needs the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I pass 4♥ is really an overbid here. Pard didn't open a weak 2 so he has 6 weak hearts or only 5. Our spade holding really couldn't be worse, and it's doubtful pard needs the pitch. Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 With a passed partner pass is clear. I had have much more problems with an unpassed partner in an indy, cause I would not even know if 2 Heart as forcing is still standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 With a passed partner pass is clear. I had have much more problems with an unpassed partner in an indy, cause I would not even know if 2 Heart as forcing is still standard? Yes, it would be forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Pass seems obvious. If partner thinks that means I don't have a real opening bid, that's fine with me. Even opposite a prime collection like x AQ10xx Axxx Jxx 4H is going to need a lot of luck, whereas 3S will probably go down. I think the chance of the opponents saving against 4H is slim - their trumps are poor, LHO probably doesn't have a strong side suit, and they know they may already have forced me to guess. A harder problem is what to do on the next round if partner doubles for takeout in the passout seat. I think I'd leave it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 :) Thanks for the comments. On the actual hand, pass or double would have worked out better, although I'm not sure how much that means since pard held an unlikely card - the stiff queen of spades.[hv=d=n&v=n&n=sqhq10842d652ckq103&w=sa7653ha6d874cj98&e=s10982hk95daj93c76&s=skj4hj73dkq10ca542]399|300|Scoring: IMPP-P-1♣-1♠2♥-3♠!-???[/hv]The hand was played only four times, twice at 4♥ (down one), once at 2NT (down one), and once at 3♠ (down 2). I lost -1.33 IMP by bidding 4♥ - hey, it's a bidder's game. E-W were very aggressive both with the 1♠ overcall (I would make this every time) and the 3♠ raise (not to my taste with 4-3-4-2 shape and no spade honor). At one table, N-S bid to 4♥ with no interference. At another, South bid 2NT after East raised to 2♠ only (kinda weird). At the fourth table, East took the push to 3♠ after West passed over 1♣, then came in with 2♠ after N-S bid 1♣ - 1♥ -1NT, and then North competed with 3♣. The bidding at indies can be a barrel of laughs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Pard is a passed hand, so I'd pass as well. Would bid 3NT if he weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I'd bid 4♥ quickly, opponents often autobid 4♠ over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Pard is a passed hand, so I'd pass as well. Would bid 3NT if he weren't. I don't think KJx is a good enough stopper for 3NT on this auction. We will too often need to lose the lead and get a spade through for a quick set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 we will too often need to lose the lead and get a spade through for a quick set. You think so? Well, if pard happens to have the ♦A, all we need is to setup hearts without letting the hand go to RHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl. For me, 2♥ looks about right, but I consider a 2♥ call in this sequence to be a call that looks like a "fit jump" without the jump. The fact that 1♠ deprived me of the ability to jump to 2♥ does not change the character of the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl. I disagree with 2♥, this is a negX to me. I'd have bid 4♥ most probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl. Agree with her as always :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Negative double for me too. The opening poster's partner on the hand was from Eastern Europe - perhaps he plays negative free bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Ditto on negative double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 :D It's a pretty cheesy 2♥ call, but he did have a club fit, and he was a passed hand. It's a seven point HCP hand with a stiff - worth about 10 dummy points in clubs or if there is a heart fit. The hearts are five long with good texture. I guess the negative double is better. If partner raises hearts, we should have a game. Otherwise, 3♣ is OK. At matchpoints we can't play 2 or 3♥ on the 5-3 for the better score, but this wasn't matchpoints. Getting to good games or going plus are what's important at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Do you guys really agree with 2♥? I would have made a negative dbl. Agree 100%, but how to tell a pickup in Indy??? :D Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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