jillybean Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ 3 ♥ J862 ♦ AKQ6 ♣ K953 West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠ Pass 1NT Pass 3♠ Pass ? I ofen get this wrong, would you bid 3nt here and please explain why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I've shown 12-14 and less than 4 spades. Partner thinks we might still have game, even though she's a passed hand. Partner also has at least 5 spades. Partner must be a near maximum pass, but for my money, that does not mean 12 points and 5 spades - that will often (always?) be opened. Ergo, either it's less points or more spades and a couple of less points (6+ spades, max 10 points?) We don't seem to have the firepower for 3NT, nor the fit for 4♠. I'll pass, and hope we can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Uhm, partner certainly has shown 6+spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Uhm, partner certainly has shown 6+spades. So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Uhm, partner certainly has shown 6+spades. So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support? I would still play NMF on this auction, so I would bid 2♣.If I didn't play that, yes I would bid 2N with an invitational balanced hand and 5 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I'll bid 4♥, expecting partner to rebid 4♠ most of the time. Partner has not denied 4 hearts...in fact, if a 2♠ opener denies 4 hearts, I'd say a fit is likely. If partner thinks that I open 1♦ and rebid 1NT with either a strong hand or five hearts, I'll find a new partner. Either partner has hearts, or he doesn't. If he does, we should play in hearts. If he doesn't, I seriously doubt that we're making 3NT. By the time we set up the spades, partner will be out of entries, and we aren't making length tricks out of our hand. Nothing wrong with pass. I'm just feeling a little frisky today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Pard has 10-11 and a broken suit. The bad suit is the reason he didn't open 2♠. The 1NT rebid screwed us up this time (it's way better to bid both minors), so what the heck... 3NT. Maybe pard has some side club honors, who knows...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support? Either that or using a gadget over 1NT (which is usually 2♣ or 2♦). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I cannot construct any hand which passes in 2. seat and bids this way later.If you are long and strong enough for a jump to 3 Spade, why didn´t you open 2 Spade? 1. You have a four card major outside? Bid it now.2. You have a weak suit and all values outside? Treat it like a 5 card suit and rebid 2 Club as nmf/checkback or 2 NT to invite. Any other reasons I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I pass. Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone else hate the 1NT bid on this auction? I can't stand a rebid of 1NT by opener with stiff in partners suit. I think xx is the minimum holding. I *might* do it with stiff A, where I don't mind playing a 6-1, but not anything less. Bid your hand, 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Easy pass. Well bid up to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone else hate the 1NT bid on this auction? Me. Can stand 1NT on A, K or Q singleton, but not a spot card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I pass. Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts. Your psychic powers are amazing, Han. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=e&n=sakjt54hk75dt94c4&s=s3hj862dakq6ck953]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠ Pass 1NT Pass 3♠ Pass Pass Pass I passed, the other table got to 3nt after north opened 1♠ Ive got to say this is clear 1♠ for me. :) My pard said I must bid 3nt. But its my 1nt rebid that seems to have received the most wrath, is it always bad bridge to bid nt with a stiff in pards suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think pass is really clear here. 3NT after this auction is a fairly unusual call in general; 4♠ and Pass are far more common (raising with a stiff is not unusual). It might show something like ♠x ♥QT9x ♦KQJTx ♣KQJ; slow values which suggest that 3N is better if partner doesn't have great spades. I don't take any issue to rebidding 1N with the stiff. I think that is the best call here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support? I would still play NMF on this auction, so I would bid 2♣.If I didn't play that, yes I would bid 2N with an invitational balanced hand and 5 spades. Either that or using a gadget over 1NT (which is usually 2♣ or 2♦). Thank you both. That's the sequence I was missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I pass. Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts. Your psychic powers are amazing, Han. Rather a matter of trust in partner. I also like the 1NT bid Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I must confess, of all the hands I imagined partner having, the actual one was not among them. How is 3NT going to work, anyways? Opening lead is a heart, and they play enough hearts to kill the entry. Now what? Pray that the spade queen is onside and they split 3-3? Or they lead a club, and when they get back in they take 3-4 clubs and a heart? 4 spades has some small hope, especialy if they lead a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I pass. Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts. Your psychic powers are amazing, Han. Rather a matter of trust in partner. I also like the 1NT bid Tyler. Trust in what? 2♥ over 1NT shows junk and both majors, promising at least 5 spades but not necessarily more spades than hearts (unless you like being stuck for a bid after 1♦-1♥-1NT). It doesn't show your hand at all. 3♥ over 1NT shows the right strength, 5 spades, and 4 hearts. Unfortunately, your partner's 3♠ doesn't tell you whether to bid 4 or not, and since he doesn't know you have 6 spades he's unlikely to bid it himself. Assuming you don't have new minor forcing by a passed hand, what magic does your partner have that you should trust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 ??? 1♠ response to 1m with 44 in majors? first time I've ever heard of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 ??? 1♠ response to 1m with 44 in majors? first time I've ever heard of it Huh? Was that in response to me? 1♦-1♠-1NT-2♥ promises at least 5 spades, as I said. However, with 55 in the majors and a weak hand you'll be stuck for a bid after 1♦-1♥-1NT, so you have to start with 1 spade or give up on ever playing a 5-3 spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Hi, The simple and short answer is No, i.e. Pass, ... or if you cant stand making overtricks oncein a while, bid 4S. The longer answer is, that to make NT a playable contractyou need some kind of fit, or high card power as compensation . Assume for a moment that partner has AKQxxx in spades,since he just invited, he wont have an outside entry.So if spades dont break, you will only make 3 tricks in spades,the chance for this is 33% (give or take one or two percents) (*).Now partner is a passed hand, i.e. the suit wont be as good as sketched above, i.e most likely he will have an outside entry, but still you will have at most 3 spade tricks.And this means your hand needs to produce 6 tricks, not likely. (*) Bidding 33% games is not terrible, but we are speaking about a best case scenario. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ 3 ♥ J862 ♦ AKQ6 ♣ K953 West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠ Pass 1NT Pass 3♠ Pass ? I ofen get this wrong, would you bid 3nt here and please explain why? 3NT just about never opposite a passed partner. (That is possibly too often). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 <snip> I passed, the other table got to 3nt after north opened 1♠ Ive got to say this is clear 1♠ for me. ;) My pard said I must bid 3nt. But its my 1nt rebid that seems to have received the most wrath, is it always bad bridge to bid nt with a stiff in pards suit? Hi, First of all, is this a 3NT contract you want to reach?I am not good in judging how good a given contractis, but if they kill the heart entry at once, you needbasically the Queen of spade on the right side andspades 3-3.If they dont attack hearts but clubs, your chances tomake are similiar low / high, most of the time clubswill be distributed 5-3, and they will attack hearts or clubs, at least most of the time. If partner wants to be in game, he should bid 4S, afterall you promised two spades, if he just bids 3S, he has toaccept it, if you pass.He alone knows, that he holds a super maximum for apassed hand. Second, rebidding 1NT with a singleon in partners suitis not the worst crime ever committed.It is not pretty, but ... I have done it, and others have done it as well, maybe they wont tell you in public.The alternative would be to bid 2C.The downside too 2C is, that you bury a possible heartfit, or at least make it harder to locate the heart fit,... this is depending on your follow up structure after a1NT rebid. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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