Apollo81 Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 ---JxxKJ98xxAKxx none vul, BAM (1♠)*-p-(4♠)**-? * Precision** not necessarily a weak hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 At the other RHO might be bidding 4♠, but he might be making a forcing raise, or a splinter, or a limit raise. Your counterpart might be able to sneak a diamond overcall in. After writing accolades for a double, I deleted it, and think its better to pass. It's very possible if not likely we are defending the normal contract and doubling looks likely to lose the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Suppose opponents were playing 2/1 instead of precision. Would we really pass on this auction? At BAM? Seems like a huge fit both ways, partner could easily have a decent hand. This could be a double game swing in favor of bidding. Should we let the opponents methods talk us out of bidding? Our hand (twelve points and no spades) greatly increases the odds that RHO has a "normal" 4♠ preempt. And if RHO raised on a good hand with three trumps, partner's sitting on a huge stack of spades over there and opponents are probably down multiple tricks. I like double, assuming it's primarily "takeout" (which I think is fairly standard in this auction) rather than being "cards." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 These auctions suck for the person on the receiving end. It's a guess and my guess is... dbl. The deciding factor is the void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't like double. Too likely to end up in a 4-3 heart fit when we have a 6-3 diamond fit. I like pass, and I like 5♦. Since this is BAM, I'll take a shot at 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't like double. Too likely to end up in a 4-3 heart fit The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't like double. Too likely to end up in a 4-3 heart fit The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Well said.I double, but I am not confident about it. (Maybe spades are 5530 around the table :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Well, my partners and I frequently end up in 4-3 heart fits in this situation. Explain to me why this doesn't happen to you. If you need an example, suppose partner is xxxx AQxx Axx xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 that hand passes the dbl and leads a trump :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Well, my partners and I frequently end up in 4-3 heart fits in this situation. Explain to me why this doesn't happen to you. If you need an example, suppose partner is xxxx AQxx Axx xx In an idle world you doubled with a 1444 hand, so pd can count 8 trumps in Heart and, looking at his hand, 8 trumps in Spade. Following the lott, bidding 5 HEart here is flirting with disaster and "never" right. Of course he knew, that you are under pressure and may have 5 Hearts and/or no spades, but even then he is safe in passing 4 Spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Well, my partners and I frequently end up in 4-3 heart fits in this situation. Explain to me why this doesn't happen to you. Because he plays with better partners than you do? What other answer can there be.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Well, my partners and I frequently end up in 4-3 heart fits in this situation. Explain to me why this doesn't happen to you. Because he plays with better partners than you do? What other answer can there be.... Let me clarify. People better than me generally have better judgement and better methods. Don't like 4-4-3-2? Then make it 3-4-3-3. Make it 2-4-3-4. Is there some judgement call here? Your partner will always pass 4♠X with these hands, and if so do you think you're strong enough? Or is there a method involved? They don't bid 5♥ with these hands, they bid...what, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The chance of playing a 4-3 heart fit is zero. Well, my partners and I frequently end up in 4-3 heart fits in this situation. Explain to me why this doesn't happen to you. Because he plays with better partners than you do? What other answer can there be.... Let me clarify. People better than me generally have better judgement and better methods. Don't like 4-4-3-2? Then make it 3-4-3-3. Make it 2-4-3-4. Is there some judgement call here? Your partner will always pass 4♠X with these hands, and if so do you think you're strong enough? Or is there a method involved? They don't bid 5♥ with these hands, they bid...what, exactly? Yes partner will pass with these shapes 100 % of the time. This is a difficult problem and shows one of the biggest advantages of precision. At BAM I would just pass, at IMPs then I like X. They're just going to make when partner passes way too often which is ok at imps but is a disaster at BAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Don't like 4-4-3-2? Then make it 3-4-3-3. Make it 2-4-3-4. Is there some judgement call here? Your partner will always pass 4♠X with these hands, and if so do you think you're strong enough? Yes partner will pass with these shapes 100 % of the time. Thanks. I didn't realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I am still a wimp (see other thread) - pass. We just need too much from partner for the five-level to be likely to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sqjxxxha10daqxcj98&w=shjxxdkj98xxcakxx&e=sk10xhxxxxdxcq10xxx&s=saxxxxhkq98d10xxcx]399|300|Scoring: BAM[/hv] pass = -450Dbl = P chooses between -500 and -6904NT = -5005♦ = -1100 At my table they decided to take the -1100. At another table, a WC West overcalled 5♦, their North did not double (lol), South competed to 5♠, doubled by East. At my teammates table, NS were also playing Precision but South decided to splinter instead of bidding 4♠, allowing West to come in with 4♦ and then stay silent after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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