Suit combo

[Fluffy]

you have

 

A109863

 

Q72

 

 

play for 5 tricks

[han]

Wrong forum.

[Guest Jlall]

Heh, this one is my favorite, small to the 7 is correct. Han why is this wrong forum?

[dake50]

Is this past beginner combos? So advanced or expert?

[Wackojack]

This looks like a sister problem to the one I posted in "Interesting bridge hands", where I went wrong at the table. I have learned from this so would do as Justin says.

[gnasher]

I was sufficiently surprised by Justin's answer that I had to stop and think about it. but he is, of course, right.

 

Small to the seven loses to East's K54, K5 and K4. That's roughly:

1/8 x 50 + 2/6 x 41 = 20

 

Running the queen loses to East's KJ4, KJ5, KJ and KJ54, which is:

2/8 x 50 + 1/6 x 41 + 1/2 x 10 = 24

 

Ace and another loses to East's 5, 4, KJ54 and void, which is:

2/8 x 50 + 2/2 x 10 = 22.5

 

So, it wouldn't take much to make me play one of the other lines.

[MFA]

The big upside is that righty might rise with the K from Kx.

[Guest Jlall]

I was sufficiently surprised by Justin's answer that I had to stop and think about it. but he is, of course, right.

 

Small to the seven loses to East's K54, K5 and K4.  That's roughly:

1/8 x 50 + 2/6 x 41 = 20

 

Running the queen loses to East's KJ4, KJ5, KJ and KJ54, which is:

2/8 x 50 + 1/6 x 41 + 1/2 x 10 = 24

 

Ace and another loses to East's 5, 4, KJ54 and void, which is:

2/8 x 50 + 2/2 x 10 = 22.5

 

So, it wouldn't take much to make me play one of the other lines.

Hehe right everyone thinks ace and another is right, even among the very top players few people know this one.

 

It applies only with a 6-3 fit and the queen being third otherwise ace and another can pick up one 4-0 split and becomes the favorite.

 

Of course as others have mentioned from a non-technical point of view since people pop from Kx at least some percentage of the time leading small rather than the ace is often right, even with a 5-4 fit (when it is the wrong play against perfect defense).

[gnasher]

It applies only with a 6-3 fit and the queen being third otherwise ace and another can pick up one 4-0 split and becomes the favorite.

And only when you have good enough spots. You need at least A109732 opposite Q54 or A105432 opposite Q96.

[cherdano]

I was sufficiently surprised by Justin's answer that I had to stop and think about it. but he is, of course, right.

 

Small to the seven loses to East's K54, K5 and K4. That's roughly:

1/8 x 50 + 2/6 x 41 = 20

Not quite I think - after the 7 loses to the Jack, you should cash the ace. So it only loses to K54, 5 and 4.

[TimG]

I was sufficiently surprised by Justin's answer that I had to stop and think about it. but he is, of course, right.

 

Small to the seven loses to East's K54, K5 and K4.  That's roughly:

1/8 x 50 + 2/6 x 41 = 20

Not quite I think - after the 7 loses to the Jack, you should cash the ace. So it only loses to K54, 5 and 4.

You are right.

 

But, in practice, RHO will pop King some of the time when he holds Kx. He doesn't have to do this often to make the second round finesse the better line.

 

Right?

[gnasher]

Small to the seven loses to East's K54, K5 and K4.  That's roughly:

1/8 x 50 + 2/6 x 41 = 20

Not quite I think - after the 7 loses to the Jack, you should cash the ace. So it only loses to K54, 5 and 4.

That's true. I made the same mistake when considering running the queen. After it loses, you should play for the drop, losing to K but gaining against KJ.

 

Most of this seems quite counterintuitive to me. Just goes to show that, in my case at least, intuition is no substitute for analysis.