Third in hand

[jchiu]

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=sk8hq1042dkqj102cj10]133|100|Scoring: XIMP

Pass (1♠) ???[/hv]

 

Please vote for chimpanzees if you are a Raptor lover or ELC fanatic who can't afford not to be playing it for one hand.

[hrothgar]

This hand is strong enough that I would like to say something

 

I think that there are three reasonable choices playing standard methods.

 

In order of preference

 

2♦

 

1. I definitely want a Diamond lead.

2. This gets the hand off my chest with one bid

3. Sure I'd like a 6th Diamond, but if this suit isn't good enough, what is

 

Pass

 

1. You don't always have to bid...

2. Some people might prefer a bit more offensive strength for a 2 level overcall

 

Double

 

1. This brings two of your three suits into the picture, more importantly, it emphasizes Hearts

2. You're gonna be hurting if partner bids 2♣, but he won't always bid 2♣

 

2♠

 

1. This gets across the two suited nature of the hand

2. If your don't play Good/Bad Michaels you aren't misrepresenting range

 

Scores

 

2♦ = 8

Pass = 4

Double = 3

2♠ = 2

[the hog]

Well I am going to x here. I full well know the risks of a 2C response. Second choice pass.

[helene_t]

2♦. This suggests a 6-card but we are non-vul and the suit is very good.

[655321]

Double for me. 2♦ is also reasonable.

 

Pass is not for me. I think it is losing bridge not to enter the auction with this hand.

 

But the 2♠ mentioned in an earlier post - quite rightly not included in the poll - is even worse than pass. It is a horrible bid. Partner will be tricked into believing you are 5/5, and will often bid 3 or 4 hearts, innocently unaware of the nasty shock he is about to get when he sees his dummy in 4♥X.

:P

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

 

2nd alternative 2D, but most of the

time I would pass.

 

I have considered 2S, but this should

show 5-5, after all you will be playing

both suits at the 3 level, if 54 is allowed,

than the only the king of spades speaks

against 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[matmat]

I pull the red card from the box wave it around a little bit, then put it back and put 2♦ on the table.

[helene_t]

That might suggest a hand a tad strong for 2♦. Better to make an insufficient 1♥ bid and then correct it to 2♦.

[Codo]

No Helene, waving double and 2 Diamonds shows the red suits with longer Diamonds, a stronger 2 Diamond bid is shown by stop 2 Diamond.

 

If you use stop 2 Diamond for a weak jump, you have a problem. Mabye it is possible to smash the bidding cards on the table with a stronger hand.

 

I use to solve this problem in another way. I take all biding cards including 2 Heart out of the box, so that anybody can see them and then say: OOOPs, sorry and put the 2 Heart card back to the box. This shows Diamonds with Heart tolerance and no extra strength. Perfect.

If your hearts are stronger, try the other way round. Just take 2 Diamond out and correct it emmedeately to 2 HEart.

 

BBO sucks, because they disabled this, :P

 

so here I must bid 2 Diamond with X a distand second and no third choice.

[gwnn]

I agree with Richard's post.

 

Actually I play raptor AND elc. :P

[Guest Jlall]

I always double with this shape but with this hand 2D looks right. Partner is a passed hand so I think the lead directional purposes of bidding diamonds outweigh other concerns (like we might miss 4H) since game is pretty unlikely our way.

[helene_t]

BBO sucks, because they disabled this, :o

Haven't you discovered the green button at the center bottom of the screen? It is not always disabled.

[han]

Very good problem, both double a 2D seem reasonable. Make the hand a bit stronger and double would be clear imo. Make the hand a bit weaker (same shape, same diamonds) and 2D would be clear. As it is, I judged that we might still have a heart game and voted for double.

[cherdano]

This is a little too weak for me to make an off-shape double opposite a passed partner.

[pclayton]

2D. A matter of style. We still have a shot at hearts if pard makes a responsive dbl.

 

To the doublers: do your pards always take preference to hearts with 4H and 5C?

[brianshark]

I dislike double. As usual. I bid 2♦. 2nd choice pass.

[jdonn]

I always double with this shape but with this hand 2D looks right.

These are exactly my thoughts.

[Cascade]

I double with this shape.

 

The most likely games are 4♥ and 3NT. 3NT is not at all likely when partner is a passed hand so 4♥ is the only likely game and the easiest way to move towards that (if it exists) is double.

[whereagles]

Since pard is a passed hand, it may be more important to get him to a good lead than trying to fight spades with hearts. I'll try 2♦. Would dbl if pard were not passed.

[Guest Jlall]

Since pard is a passed hand, it may be more important to get him to a good lead than trying to fight spades with hearts. I'll try 2♦. Would dbl if pard were not passed.

wow i totally agree with whereagles and jdonn in this thread!

[skorchev]

As was mentioned earlier "Pass is losing bridge". With 2♦ you show diamonds, with DBL you try to show ♥+♦, with pass you show nothing. If pass firstly, what to bid after that, something balancing?

 

DBL is a good option, if 2(3)♦ after that over 2(3)♣ means offshape t/o dbl with ♦+♥, which I doubt is the case.

 

So my bid is 2♦, a perfect suit, passed partner. Even my partner is non-passed, I will bid 2♦ also, I have missed too much high cards.

 

Actually it is more interesting to me what I (you) will bid if bidding goes (1♠)-2♦-(pass)-2♠ - with partner passed and non-passed. Are you going to bid your stopper or the 4 cards in ♥?

[Cascade]

To the doublers: do your pards always take preference to hearts with 4H and 5C?

Not always but often.

[Winstonm]

2D for these reasons:

 

1) partner most likely hasn't enough hand to punish me for being light.

2) We can't outbid spades with hearts

3) I want a diamond lead

[Cascade]

2) We can't outbid spades with hearts

This is only true for 7♠.

[benlessard]

2D because pard is a passed hand and we are white.

 

Pass is a close 2nd (and red i would pass).

 

These is exactly the hand where some players feel compelled to enter the auction like a mosquito follow light. But 2D will give very little profit over pass in a strong field.

 

1--This hand is unlikely to be yours

2-- you will on lead the majority of the time.

3- Doesnt take any bidding space and is as likely to help the opps in the bidding then to annoyed them.

4- In the play of the card strong opps will profit from your overcall more then your partner

5- its unlikely to find a cheap save.

6- even if you have some magical hands and game is there you might not bid it or reach the best game.

 

On the good side its pretty much a risk free overcall. The only small risk is see is partner competing a little too hard with a 2353 shape(-300) or taking a -500 sac.

 

X would never crossed my mind even if playing ELC. At least half of the value of this overcall is based on lead directing if LHO declared. Buying the hand in a H contract seems a bit slim.