rogerclee Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I thought this was obvious, but there was a little bit of discussion about this at a STaC, where a good player disagreed with what I thought was super-obvious. MPs, White vs Red, 3rd Seat ♠x ♥Ax ♦Q9xx ♣Axxxxx P-(P)-1♣-(Dbl)Rdbl-(1NT)-? 1) Do you agree with your opening bid?2) What now?3) Does it matter to you that your opponents are novices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 1) i'd probably pass2) presumably 2♣ or pass are the options being considered. if opps really are noobs i think i pass. otherwise i pull to 2♣ (ps -- i suck) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 (1) Agree with 1♣(2) 2♣. This is not perfect - it would not be a surprise for partner to have a singleton - but: I am not interested in doubling 1NT when each side has half the deck, and we have no good lead; and not only can't I bid 2♦, but we don't have a guaranteed diamond fit anyway.(3) No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 2C to show a sub minimum opening and the long C - the reason I opened. Pd almost certainly has 5S and I don't want him bidding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 2C to show a sub minimum opening and the long C - the reason I opened. Pd almost certainly has 5S and I don't want him bidding them. Does he? Wouldn't partner routinely bid 1♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 2C to show a sub minimum opening and the long C - the reason I opened. Pd almost certainly has 5S and I don't want him bidding them. Does he? Wouldn't partner routinely bid 1♠? If pd has a 10 count or so, and no fit for me he would xx, even with 5S. The xx shows a max pass and a willingness to penalise the opps; but you know that anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 (1) I might open 3C. I certainly wouldn't pass.(2) 2C.(3) No, it just makes the problem less interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finally17 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I'm echoing someone with every response, but a different someone each time. 1) some days I'd open 3♣ too. the other days i agree with you. i'm not sure how often. 2) having bid 1 I'd bid 2 cause it's where i want to play, and i imagine partner's sure to come back in if i don't. 3) if they're seriously novices, setting 1N might be more likely than making 2♣. hopefully partner and his hand agree. i'm also less likely to have bid 3♣ in this case I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I'd pass and let partner hack them if he sees fit. If he bids a major I'll bid 3♣. I agree with 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Should rdbl set op an FP after p opened in 3rd seat? I don't think so. Especially when RHO makes a 1NT opening which we could easily dbl for penalties if we had a sound opening. So pass. 2♣ should show slightly more than BTW I would have opened this one 1♣ in 1st/2nd. In third I would have opened 3♣ against normal opps (yes I know it's sick but I can't help it), against noobs I would open 1♣ or maybe even pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't understand the 2C bidders. Which suit do you think RHO has?? I mean he must have 4 or 5 clubs. Partner likely has 5-4 in the majors and chose to XX so he too must have short clubs (with 5422 I think most would bid 1S). Our hand and suit are garbage. This seems like a v easy pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't understand the 2C bidders. Which suit do you think RHO has?? I mean he must have 4 or 5 clubs. Partner likely has 5-4 in the majors and chose to XX so he too must have short clubs (with 5422 I think most would bid 1S). Our hand and suit are garbage. This seems like a v easy pass.OK, well perhaps I am wrong, but my reasoning is that, I expect them to make 1NT when partner is a passed hand, yes, I expect RHO to hold 4 clubs (5 would be a disappointment :( ), and that on a good day 2♣ might make, more realistically I expect to go 1 or 2 down for 50 or 100 on a partscore hand where they can make 90 or 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 On the actual hand, partner (me) had ♠AJTx ♥JTx ♦A8xxx ♣x. The decision made was to bid 2♣, which I did not like (I may have stated in the postmortem that I thought the auction was impossible). I admit I was influenced by the fact that our opponents were absolutely clueless (typical average club players), and I knew that the 1NT bidder had no idea what he had just stepped in. I chose not to bid 2♦ over 2♣; not sure how reasonable that was. 1NT was probably going for 500 but at least 200. 2♣ making 3 was a poor result, since par was 2♦/3♦ in our 5-4 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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