TylerE Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 (p) - 1♦ - (1♥) - P(1NT) - p - p - X Takeout or penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Penalty, suggests a heart lead. Takeout doesnt make sense at all, you coulda doubled 1♥ or bid 2♣ over it or bid 2♣ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Penalty.Shows a penalty double of 1♥BTW, if I have the auction right, the doubler is not a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 This doubler isn't really a passed hand. He passed over 1♥, true, but this doesn't announce a bad hand -- it announces either a bad hand or a hand that wants to defend 1♥X. The double of 1NT shows the hand that wanted to defend 1♥X. This should include good hearts and some general values. It's a penalty double, with the additional inference of holding a heart suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 The big P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Blood. Business. The Axe. The Hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 opps, you are PWNed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I play this as choice of slams. Do you want to shoot for +1100, or do you think we might have the grand slam of +1400? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Thanks for backing me up on this. Was playing with my mother (always interesting...), I was doubler, my hand was something like: ♠x ♥Txxx ♦ AKx ♣Kxxxx Hearts weren't quite as good as I would have liked, but can't have it all. Partner insisted (and still insists!) that the X here isn't penalty, so instead of chalking up 500 in 1NTx on our combined 24 count, we played 3♦ in the 3-3 'fit', drifting two off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Thanks for backing me up on this. Was playing with my mother (always interesting...), I was doubler, my hand was something like: ♠x ♥Txxx ♦ AKx ♣Kxxxx Hearts weren't quite as good as I would have liked, but can't have it all. Partner insisted (and still insists!) that the X here isn't penalty, so instead of chalking up 500 in 1NTx on our combined 24 count, we played 3♦ in the 3-3 'fit', drifting two off. Were you planning on defending 1♥ Dbl with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Not really, but world of difference between defending 1♥ and 1NT. At IMPs going 180 instead of 90 isn't a huge tragedy, but 100 vs 500, or 150 vs 800 *is*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Thanks for backing me up on this. Was playing with my mother (always interesting...), I was doubler, my hand was something like: ♠x ♥Txxx ♦ AKx ♣Kxxxx Hearts weren't quite as good as I would have liked, but can't have it all. Partner insisted (and still insists!) that the X here isn't penalty, so instead of chalking up 500 in 1NTx on our combined 24 count, we played 3♦ in the 3-3 'fit', drifting two off.Why not just bid 2♣ over 1♥? Seems automatic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I wanted to see how the auction would develop. I'm not crazy about bidding a bad suit that I don't want led really improves things. 1♥ isn't getting passed out. Personally, if I was gonna bid I think it's close to a diamond raise than showing clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Wait, partner had 3 diamonds, the 1NT bidder had a heart void? I'm so confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Yep. The NT bidder had a 4=0=5=4 7 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 classic case of "I don't like your suit pd" NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 PENALTYYou have to find a bid with your hand on the first round, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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