MickyB Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=saxxhat8xdatxxxxc]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♦ from you, 1♠ from partner. What will it be? 2♦ when your hand is massive in support of a five-card spade suit? 2♥, reverse on a 12-count? 2♠, for which your most likely hand-type is a balanced hand with three-card support (we raise on any bal hand with three spades unless 3343)? 3♠ with only three-card support?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2S. Should be unanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'll bid 2♠ and hope to survive. Your agreements make this slightly less attractive but it's only a non-vulnerable game. A trump lead could mean that the hand is not as good as it appears. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2♠ if I have 3-card raises agreed. Else 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2♠ if I have bridge agreed. Else I quit. Justin, kmb 2♥? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2♠ unless I'm playing with someone who can't follow suit. For money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 2♠ and accepting anything that moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 This may be unanimous on BBF but it wasn't at the Junior Camrose! I was watching the Vugraph at the venue where a 2♦ rebid was chosen and went without comment. Then at the break someone approached me with a copy of the hand record and asked what I thought of this 2♥ bid which had just been made ... But I've got to agree with 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 2S. Given the description of the other calls, this is a wtp? With kind regardsMarlowe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 This may be unanimous on BBF but it wasn't at the Junior Camrose! I was watching the Vugraph at the venue where a 2♦ rebid was chosen and went without comment. Then at the break someone approached me with a copy of the hand record and asked what I thought of this 2♥ bid which had just been made ... But I've got to agree with 2♠. I would be surprised, if someone had issues with a 2D bid, after all, you are bidding your 6 card suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I do, I think 2D is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I do, I think 2D is terrible. If 2 ♦ is terrible, what is 2 NT, 3 NT, 4 Spade or 6 NT?Okay not bridge, but which nice words do you have for these? (I need some vocabulary in this area) Surely 2 Spade is the wtp bid, but don´t hang someone for repeating a sixcard suit. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I bid 2♥ at the table, I couldn't bring myself to bid 2♠. Might be a reflection of the fact that I'm not comfortable with raising as frequently as we do in this partnership. There isn't really a moral from the hand, as all routes (except 3♠, which I only threw in to make 2♥ look less ridiculous) should lead to 3NT. My 2♥ bid didn't lead to 3NT, but it should have done :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaceyJ Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Mikey, do you and Alex keep your 1 level responses up to strength? Dont know if this has any bearing on the debate. Jc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I do, I think 2D is terrible. If 2 ♦ is terrible, what is 2 NT, 3 NT, 4 Spade or 6 NT?Okay not bridge, but which nice words do you have for these? (I need some vocabulary in this area) Surely 2 Spade is the wtp bid, but don´t hang someone for repeating a sixcard suit. :) I won't hang anyone for it, I just think the bid is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Funny, reading all of the votes for 2♠, including the strongly worded ones, didn't persuade me that it was a good call :) I'm not saying it was a terrible call B) This hand is anywhere from poor (imagine Jxxx Kxx xx Qxxx opposite) to huge. Its value really depends on how well partner's hand meshes, and what rather than where his values are (the same thing, I suppose). I suppose I can construct hands on which 2♦ misses a decent game: partner has 5 chunky spades, the suit splits and nothing bad happens and yet he has to pass 2♦ But there seem to me to be a large number of hands on which 2♠ gives up, effectively, on a diamond slam... and why can't our 6 card suit work well as trump? We will rarely miss game via 2♦, and, if we get by this round, our bidding choices should be easy. In the meantime, even if we have some form of relay available over 2♠, we are not going to be coming close to describing our hand in terms of its playability in diamonds. So count me in for 2♦, happily. Over partner's rebids: 2♥ I bid 3♠2♠ I bid 4♠ (or 4♣ if I feel lucky)2N I bid 3♠3♣ 3♠3♦ 3♠ etc Other than the minor risk of pass (I hold 12 hcp and a void and the opps are silent, so give me a break B) ) I think I have all bases reasonably covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 The problem with 2♦ is that partner passes on many hands where he would make a game try over 2♠ (at least when we are not playing a style where any balanced hand with 3-card support raises). Oh I just read Mike's last sentence I do think a passout over 2♦ is not unlikely (it is still a risk over 2♠ but slightly less likely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't understand making the argument that where we belong is a matter of how well the hands mesh, then rebidding a bad minor suit instead of supporting partner. I also think it's worth considering, since you bring up the discussion of what the third bid might be, that after three bids partner will have a much better picture of your hand if your auction is something like diamonds, raise spades, bid hearts than if your auction is diamonds, diamonds, support spades. And sorry I have to disagree on what you think is the likelihood of partner passing 2♦ when there is game in spades. Your "rarely" is my "commonly". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogeshdg Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I do, I think 2D is terrible.I will bid 2♦ which looks normal. The hand looks slightly better for 2♠ rebid.By the way why is 2♦ terrible ? It will only backfire if pd cant make a 2nd bid and he is short in ♦ since you both might fare well in 2 ♠. My 2♦ promises 11-16 and my partner will bid again with 9 hcp so there is no question of missing any game since he will use a relay bid to find about more about my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I do, I think 2D is terrible.I will bid 2♦ which looks normal. The hand looks slightly better for 2♠ rebid.By the way why is 2♦ terrible ? It will only backfire if pd cant make a 2nd bid and he is short in ♦ since you both might fare well in 2 ♠. My 2♦ promises 11-16 and my partner will bid again with 9 hcp so there is no question of missing any game since he will use a relay bid to find about more about my hand. xxxxxxxxxxxxx where are the hcp?why is game so good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogeshdg Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I do, I think 2D is terrible.I will bid 2♦ which looks normal. The hand looks slightly better for 2♠ rebid.By the way why is 2♦ terrible ? It will only backfire if pd cant make a 2nd bid and he is short in ♦ since you both might fare well in 2 ♠. My 2♦ promises 11-16 and my partner will bid again with 9 hcp so there is no question of missing any game since he will use a relay bid to find about more about my hand. xxxxxxxxxxxxx where are the hcp?why is game so good? what is he responding 1♠ for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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