Jump to content

Over or under


MickyB

Recommended Posts

[hv=d=s&v=e&s=saxxhat8xdatxxxxc]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1 from you, 1 from partner.

 

What will it be?

 

2 when your hand is massive in support of a five-card spade suit?

 

2, reverse on a 12-count?

 

2, for which your most likely hand-type is a balanced hand with three-card support (we raise on any bal hand with three spades unless 3343)?

 

3 with only three-card support?[/hv]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This may be unanimous on BBF but it wasn't at the Junior Camrose! I was watching the Vugraph at the venue where a 2 rebid was chosen and went without comment. Then at the break someone approached me with a copy of the hand record and asked what I thought of this 2 bid which had just been made ...

 

But I've got to agree with 2.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This may be unanimous on BBF but it wasn't at the Junior Camrose! I was watching the Vugraph at the venue where a 2 rebid was chosen and went without comment. Then at the break someone approached me with a copy of the hand record and asked what I thought of this 2 bid which had just been made ...

 

But I've got to agree with 2.

I would be surprised, if someone had issues with a 2D bid,

after all, you are bidding your 6 card suit.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

If 2 is terrible, what is 2 NT, 3 NT, 4 Spade or 6 NT?

Okay not bridge, but which nice words do you have for these? (I need some vocabulary in this area)

 

Surely 2 Spade is the wtp bid, but don´t hang someone for repeating a sixcard suit. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I bid 2 at the table, I couldn't bring myself to bid 2. Might be a reflection of the fact that I'm not comfortable with raising as frequently as we do in this partnership.

 

There isn't really a moral from the hand, as all routes (except 3, which I only threw in to make 2 look less ridiculous) should lead to 3NT. My 2 bid didn't lead to 3NT, but it should have done :P

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

If 2 is terrible, what is 2 NT, 3 NT, 4 Spade or 6 NT?

Okay not bridge, but which nice words do you have for these? (I need some vocabulary in this area)

 

Surely 2 Spade is the wtp bid, but don´t hang someone for repeating a sixcard suit. :)

I won't hang anyone for it, I just think the bid is terrible.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Funny, reading all of the votes for 2, including the strongly worded ones, didn't persuade me that it was a good call :) I'm not saying it was a terrible call B)

 

This hand is anywhere from poor (imagine Jxxx Kxx xx Qxxx opposite) to huge.

 

Its value really depends on how well partner's hand meshes, and what rather than where his values are (the same thing, I suppose).

 

I suppose I can construct hands on which 2 misses a decent game: partner has 5 chunky spades, the suit splits and nothing bad happens and yet he has to pass 2

 

But there seem to me to be a large number of hands on which 2 gives up, effectively, on a diamond slam... and why can't our 6 card suit work well as trump?

 

We will rarely miss game via 2, and, if we get by this round, our bidding choices should be easy. In the meantime, even if we have some form of relay available over 2, we are not going to be coming close to describing our hand in terms of its playability in diamonds.

 

So count me in for 2, happily.

 

Over partner's rebids:

 

2 I bid 3

2 I bid 4 (or 4 if I feel lucky)

2N I bid 3

3 3

3 3

 

 

etc

 

Other than the minor risk of pass (I hold 12 hcp and a void and the opps are silent, so give me a break B) ) I think I have all bases reasonably covered.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The problem with 2 is that partner passes on many hands where he would make a game try over 2 (at least when we are not playing a style where any balanced hand with 3-card support raises).

 

Oh I just read Mike's last sentence I do think a passout over 2 is not unlikely (it is still a risk over 2 but slightly less likely).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't understand making the argument that where we belong is a matter of how well the hands mesh, then rebidding a bad minor suit instead of supporting partner.

 

I also think it's worth considering, since you bring up the discussion of what the third bid might be, that after three bids partner will have a much better picture of your hand if your auction is something like diamonds, raise spades, bid hearts than if your auction is diamonds, diamonds, support spades.

 

And sorry I have to disagree on what you think is the likelihood of partner passing 2 when there is game in spades. Your "rarely" is my "commonly".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

I will bid 2 which looks normal. The hand looks slightly better for 2 rebid.

By the way why is 2 terrible ? It will only backfire if pd cant make a 2nd bid and he is short in since you both might fare well in 2 .

 

My 2 promises 11-16 and my partner will bid again with 9 hcp so there is no question of missing any game since he will use a relay bid to find about more about my hand.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

I will bid 2 which looks normal. The hand looks slightly better for 2 rebid.

By the way why is 2 terrible ? It will only backfire if pd cant make a 2nd bid and he is short in since you both might fare well in 2 .

 

My 2 promises 11-16 and my partner will bid again with 9 hcp so there is no question of missing any game since he will use a relay bid to find about more about my hand.

xxxxxx

x

xxx

xxx

 

where are the hcp?

why is game so good?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I do, I think 2D is terrible.

I will bid 2 which looks normal. The hand looks slightly better for 2 rebid.

By the way why is 2 terrible ? It will only backfire if pd cant make a 2nd bid and he is short in since you both might fare well in 2 .

 

My 2 promises 11-16 and my partner will bid again with 9 hcp so there is no question of missing any game since he will use a relay bid to find about more about my hand.

xxxxxx

x

xxx

xxx

 

where are the hcp?

why is game so good?

what is he responding 1 for?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...