6-5

[finally17]

Ok, I'll make my first post of a hand ever, cause I have a variety of questions. Playing a standard 2/1 you get dealt, in first seat:

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sat9763hd64ca8532]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

First off, is anyone so aggressive with 6-5 that they open this?

 

Secondly, once you're forced to pass, and it continues (from the beginning):

 

pass-(pass)-1♥-(pass)

1♠-(pass)-pass-(x)-

 

What's your plan?

[Guest Jlall]

Passing as dealer is fine. I would XX to start with and see what develops, I don't think you can just bid 4S yet (if I had one bid for my life that would be it), partner may have opened light in third and then just passed since he had a yarb and he opened your void so you could be in pretty big trouble in 4S.

[Cascade]

We open these but I don't play 2/1.

 

Pass is ok too. I would definitely open if the vulnerability was favourable.

 

Your bid now will depend on what partner will expect.

 

2♣ is fine unless you think partner will think you have long clubs and only four spades.

 

3♣ is possible too.

 

I don't want to redouble as it makes it too easy for the opponents to guage there level of fit.

 

Maybe 3♠ is fine too.

[benlessard]

3C make sense. IMHO partner cannot pass 1S without 3S so from my point of view game is possible maybe even likely, so i want to wake-up partner. XX might work but LHO can find an annoying bid like 3D.

 

The only drawback is that you need to be sure 3C doesnt show a weak 4??7

[whereagles]

3♣ should be right on target. Pard can't have good hearts because he'd probably have rebid 2♥ in that case. So there must be some spade or club support in his hand.

[P_Marlowe]

3C.

 

You have a nice hand, but depending on partnership

style, the 1H bid may have been a joke, give partner

the chance to check out.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: And yes, pass is fine, an alternative is 2S, but you

need to discuss this with partner, it is not a common

approach.

[raduv]

In my current partnership I would open (1♠) no matter the colors.

 

Now, I would redouble trying to penalize 2♣ if they bid it or allow partner to penalize diamonds is he can.

 

If it comes 2♦ - P - P back, I'll try 2♠.

[Cascade]

In my current partnership I would open (1♠) no matter the colors.

 

Now, I would redouble trying to penalize 2♣ if they bid it or allow partner to penalize diamonds is he can.

 

If it comes 2♦ - P - P back, I'll try 2♠.

I am not going to penalize 2♣ partner had some tolerance for spades by passing 1♠ (at least three cards, maybe exactly three cards as I would expect a raise with almost all hands with four) unless he had an out and out psychic opening bid.

 

Penalizing a low level opening with a known side 9-card fit is unlikely to pay even when 2♣ doubled is not game.

[pclayton]

Pass is fine. Zarrasians will open this.

 

I guess I redouble here. I really want to bid 3♠, but thats a little kooky. I'm not bidding any number of clubs. That sounds like a 4-5 or a 4-6 to me and thats not what I want to convey.

[kenrexford]

I would open this with better shape.

 

Having passed, I would like on this hand to use a tool a partner of mine likes. P-P-1♥-P-2♠ shows a player with spades and a minor, not a fit-jump. I like fit-jumps usually, but this hand works better for partner's pet gadget.

 

Using normal stuff, I'd rebid 2♠. With 5206 pattern, I'd bid 3♣ now.

[cherdano]

I'm not bidding any number of clubs. That sounds like a 4-5 or a 4-6 to me and thats not what I want to convey.

I agree with that.

[gnasher]

I'm not bidding any number of clubs. That sounds like a 4-5 or a 4-6 to me and thats not what I want to convey.

I agree with that.

Me too.

[kenrexford]

Who bids 3♣ to play here?

 

LHO has just announced the minors, and we want to step in at the three-level in clubs? Even with six of them, so what?

 

3♣, if bid, would seem to be a game try in spades and NOT a change of contract.

[Echognome]

LHO has just announced the minors, and we want to step in at the three-level in clubs? Even with six of them, so what?

Why has LHO announced the minors? Isn't he announcing a hand that would have made a penalty double of 1♥?

[gnasher]

Who bids 3♣ to play here?

 

LHO has just announced the minors, and we want to step in at the three-level in clubs? Even with six of them, so what?

 

3♣, if bid, would seem to be a game try in spades and NOT a change of contract.

I don't think it's to play in the sense of being preemptive. I was picturing something like Axxx xx x KQ10xxx. It would be deeply depressing never to be able to bid clubs on this hand.

 

Having said that, I don't have much experience of this sort of auction - thankfully, no one I play with makes a habit of passing one-level responses.

 

I wouldn't be greatly concerned about RHO's supposed length in the minors. A protective double here has to cover a wide range of shapes and strengths.

[finally17]

I'm not bidding any number of clubs. That sounds like a 4-5 or a 4-6 to me and thats not what I want to convey.

I agree with that.

Me too.

This and that partner likely had exactly 3♠s and a rag of a hand was what I decided at the table...

 

I thought about redoubling, but I don't have a ton of defense if opps can wake up and start bidding ♦s and outbid me to a good sac (4♦ over 3♠ for instance, and they might easily even make this). So I decided I didn't want them to have too easy a time discovering their fit.

 

That left a decision between 2♠ and 3♠. I chose 2 but didn't feel strongly about it. RHO bid 3♦ and it passed back to me to bid and play 3♠. Never did get a peep out of partner. Of course, she came down with KJx in both the blacks (it wasn't nearly as raggish as it could have been: KJx K98xx Qx KJx) and with both Qs slotted 5 was a cinch.

 

Roughly half the field was in 2/3 and half in 4 so apparently I was not the only one who couldn't decide where to go. The most common action was opening 2♠, which I am not a fan of.

[Apollo81]

Hate to post after the fact but I think that if you can trust P to have 3 spades, a 4♠ bid stands out. Then again I'm not used to playing opposite people who psych or pass on a doubleton which I see ppl do also, so I dunno. But bidding only 2♠ seems really, really wrong to me even if you redoubled first.

[mike777]

Ok, I'll make my first post of a hand ever, cause I have a variety of questions. Playing a standard 2/1 you get dealt, in first seat:

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sat9763hd64ca8532]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

First off, is anyone so aggressive with 6-5 that they open this?

 

Secondly, once you're forced to pass, and it continues (from the beginning):

 

pass-(pass)-1♥-(pass)

1♠-(pass)-pass-(x)-

 

What's your plan?

1) Yes, in the opening lite style I play with few partners, easy system one spade bid in my 2/1 style.

2) If opening sound I prefer to open 2s here but if forced to pass now xx seems best.

[gnasher]

Of course, she came down with KJx in both the blacks (it wasn't nearly as raggish as it could have been: KJx K98xx Qx KJx)

I don't understand the rationale for passing 1S with this sort of hand. Your partner had a normal opening bid, and an easy, descriptive rebid of 1NT. Why couldn't she just bid her hand instead of trying to guess what the right contract was?

[finally17]

Hate to post after the fact but I think that if you can trust P to have 3 spades, a 4♠ bid stands out. Then again I'm not used to playing opposite people who psych or pass on a doubleton which I see ppl do also, so I dunno. But bidding only 2♠ seems really, really wrong to me even if you redoubled first.

I didn't have a good sense of how much of a pile of partner's hand might be...if she opened some of the third seat hands I'll open, I don't want to punish her for it...I was probably being very pessimistic though.

[benlessard]

I'm not bidding any number of clubs. That sounds like a 4-5 or a 4-6 to me and thats not what I want to convey.

 

Bidding 3C with these hands doesnt make any sense. Passed hand vs 3rd seat opening (wich may be lead directing in my void) Wich misfit hands are you willing have for a bid at the 3 level ?? .

 

Bidding 2Nt & anything higher show a fit and a distributionnal values. 3C cannot be anything else then a very distributionnal game try for S.

 

I have xx to show inv hands/with or without fit (hands that dont want to bypass 2M)

new suit at the 2 level to play

 

2Nt to show huge fit limit raise

 

So the only sensible thing possible for the 3 level is exactly the hand i have.