awm Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 You're playing a natural system where 2/1 bids are game forcing. You open the bidding with 1♠ on 5-4-2-2 distribution and whatever is minimum values in your style. The auction continues: 1♠ - 2♣2♥ - 2NT What next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 With minimum values I would always be bidding 3N here. Yes we could belong somewhere else but it's too hard for partner to figure out what we're doing if we don't have extra shape OR values and bid 3C on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Maybe I don't understand the question, but unless I have a very strange hand isn't this just an obvious 3NT bid? What else am I supposed to do if I don't have extra values and I don't have extra shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Bah.. KJxxx Axxx xx AQ and we aren't rebidding 3♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Bah.. KJxxx Axxx xx AQ and we aren't rebidding 3♣? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 If 2/1 is 100% GF I'll always rebid 3NT with a minimum 5422. However, in one partnership I play 1♠-2♣-x-3♣ as invite. There I'd rebid 3♣ on AQ over 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 3NT it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 3NT - always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 insta 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 3N. Frankly, I am amazed that there are any votes for any alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Okay, I agree with most everyone that 3NT is the normal bid. The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on: (1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx. Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Okay, I agree with most everyone that 3NT is the normal bid. The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on: (1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx. Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result? Yes. The right call might lead to a bad result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Okay, I agree with most everyone that 3NT is the normal bid. The thing I'm wondering about, is that a lot of people have suggested bidding 2NT on: (1) Hands with six clubs where the clubs are not good enough to play opposite singleton.(2) Hands with a "positional" diamond holding like Qx. Doesn't this suggest that automatically bidding 3NT with a hand including ♦xx and/or ♣AQ might lead to a bad result? Yes. The right call might lead to a bad result. The second time lately I've been unable to improve on simply quoting Ken. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I wouldn't call a 2N rebid on Qx of diamonds 'the right call'. I am not saying it should never be done, but I am saying I've never done it and doubt that I ever will. Of course, if you believe that a preference to 2♠ has to show 3, you are more inclined to have real problems on this sequence than if it could be a doubleton (usually, for me, Hx or better) But I agree entirely with the concept that correct systemic bidding, no matter what the system is, will occasionally generate a poor result: and I don't care what system you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I'm not so sanguine about fixing myself here. Maybe my ♣AQ is a bad example, but surely there are some hands where ♠5-2, ♥4-3 or a club fit rates to be right. I'm not saying there's a solution, but I'd be willing to listen if someone has a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Of course, much of this, as Mike has suggested (and perhaps others) has a hidden question of when to bid 2NT, 3NT, 3♣, 3♦, or possibly 2♠ for some. In the assumed parameters I have, I cannot imagine bidding anything but 3NT with any honor holdings and 5422. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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