Gerben42 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sxhxxxdkxxckqxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Retry. 2♥ Pass to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 2♠ is reasonable. I'd just bid 3♥. 4♥ is okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 If opps aren't too experienced, I might try a psychic 2NT or 2♠. If they know what they're doing, you're better off not trying these stunts. Just bid a lead-directing 3♣ (it's LHO who seems to have the spades, so chances are pard will be on lead). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 2♠ and 2N are ridiculous against half-decent opps, they are more likely to have issues with 3♣ IMO. 3♥ or 4♥ depending on our style of weak two. Probably 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 3♣Natural, non-forcing, often implies heart shortage.Not sure that this plan is cunning enough, probably it will be as successful as any of Baldrick's cunning plans. :) Don't like 4♥, as partner also noticed the vulnerability before selecting the 2♥ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 3♣Natural, non-forcing, often implies heart shortage.Not sure that this plan is cunning enough, probably it will be as successful as any of Baldrick's cunning plans. :) Don't like 4♥, as partner also noticed the vulnerability before selecting the 2♥ opening. Natural non forcing and often implies shortage is a very odd treatment. Why on earth should it be non forcing? This is illogical. How do you fing your high level minor suit fits?fwiw I would just pass this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 3♣Natural, non-forcing, often implies heart shortage.Not sure that this plan is cunning enough, probably it will be as successful as any of Baldrick's cunning plans. :) Don't like 4♥, as partner also noticed the vulnerability before selecting the 2♥ opening. Natural non forcing and often implies shortage is a very odd treatment. Why on earth should it be non forcing? This is illogical. How do you fing your high level minor suit fits?fwiw I would just pass this one.LOLOK, partner has opened a weak 2 at favorable. He is allowed to have a poor hand, he is allowed to have a poor suit, he is allowed to have a 5 card suit. Why should responder, with a decent suit of his own, and a singleton or void in partner's suit, pass and watch partner lose 4 trump tricks when he could be making a contract? This is the (logical) reason for bidding, for a new suit being non-forcing, this is why bidding a new suit tends to have (but does not promise) shortage in partner's suit. We have had this auction on more than one occasion, OTOH I don't remember ever wanting to play in 5m when partner has opened a weak 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 3♣Natural, non-forcing, often implies heart shortage.Not sure that this plan is cunning enough, probably it will be as successful as any of Baldrick's cunning plans. :) Don't like 4♥, as partner also noticed the vulnerability before selecting the 2♥ opening. Natural non forcing and often implies shortage is a very odd treatment. Why on earth should it be non forcing? This is illogical. How do you fing your high level minor suit fits?fwiw I would just pass this one.LOLOK, partner has opened a weak 2 at favorable. He is allowed to have a poor hand, he is allowed to have a poor suit, he is allowed to have a 5 card suit. Why should responder, with a decent suit of his own, and a singleton or void in partner's suit, pass and watch partner lose 4 trump tricks when he could be making a contract? This is the (logical) reason for bidding, for a new suit being non-forcing, this is why bidding a new suit tends to have (but does not promise) shortage in partner's suit. We have had this auction on more than one occasion, OTOH I don't remember ever wanting to play in 5m when partner has opened a weak 2. (Especially) over aggressive weak twos, I quite like xfers from 2NT upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 If our preempts aren't crazy, I go for 4H. If it can be, a gentle 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 it depends on who partner is, partner also knows the vulnerability, normally I'd bid 4♥, but 4♣ and 3♥ are also reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I have played 3♣ NF with a partner before where we preempted aggressively and it worked fine. I bid ogust here. Probably won't work. My main reason being that I've wanted to make this bid for a while and have been looking for the hand to bid it on. This isn't really it but it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 2♠ and 2N are ridiculous against half-decent opps, they are more likely to have issues with 3♣ IMO. Don't be so sure. I tried this psyche in the 2nd day of the LMs against a national champ. He had 5 so-so spades and the 2♠ call shut him up after pard rebid 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 3♣Natural, non-forcing, often implies heart shortage.Not sure that this plan is cunning enough, probably it will be as successful as any of Baldrick's cunning plans. :) Don't like 4♥, as partner also noticed the vulnerability before selecting the 2♥ opening. Natural non forcing and often implies shortage is a very odd treatment. Why on earth should it be non forcing? This is illogical. How do you fing your high level minor suit fits?fwiw I would just pass this one. Natural and NF is logical if your weak 2's are made on garbage. You trade the natural forcing call for all the -150's and -200's that you give up when pard is stuck playing a 5-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I would just bid 4H assuming partner doesn't preempt with 5. This will probably just be a transfer to 4S by lho, which is a good thing. 2S is fine against really bad players, but then again so is 4H (since they won't bid nearly enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 3♦. My reasons: 1. 3♦ was not an option. So, I want to be unusual.2. 3♦ preempts 2♠, but it also preempts 3♦.3. The "almost true" psychic sometimes works better that the wild-ass psychic, even if it is not the suit that you are really trying to blast out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'd try 4♥ with my regular partner, who will have a decent hand. Might make on occasion, or work as a preempt. I like our chances if LHO comes in with 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 3♣Natural, non-forcing, often implies heart shortage.Not sure that this plan is cunning enough, probably it will be as successful as any of Baldrick's cunning plans. :) Don't like 4♥, as partner also noticed the vulnerability before selecting the 2♥ opening. Natural non forcing and often implies shortage is a very odd treatment. Why on earth should it be non forcing? This is illogical. How do you fing your high level minor suit fits?fwiw I would just pass this one.LOLOK, partner has opened a weak 2 at favorable. He is allowed to have a poor hand, he is allowed to have a poor suit, he is allowed to have a 5 card suit. Why should responder, with a decent suit of his own, and a singleton or void in partner's suit, pass and watch partner lose 4 trump tricks when he could be making a contract? This is the (logical) reason for bidding, for a new suit being non-forcing, this is why bidding a new suit tends to have (but does not promise) shortage in partner's suit. We have had this auction on more than one occasion, OTOH I don't remember ever wanting to play in 5m when partner has opened a weak 2. I'm not saying you have to bid 3m as forcing, but I would ask you how you would bid the following if you don't play it as forcing.AQxxxxxQxxxxx KxAxxAKxxxAxx This is a hand from a GNOT final about 4 years ago now that pd and I bid to 7D after he opened 2S. How would you bid it if you could't start with a 3D force? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 There is no way we would get to 7♦ and probably not 7♠ with that hand after a weak two opening. This is the pay-off for opening agressive weak twos. If your weak twos can be bad five-card suits then you need a new suit to be natural and not forcing. Luckily not every hand is a grand slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 3♠. splinter, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karma Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 4♣, fit showing.Assuming competent opps, they will get to 4♠ or similar. I have already decided that 5♥ will be a good sacrifice and force the opps to make a decision at the 5 level. eg. 5♠ or 6♦ or ... 4♣ should get partner off to the right lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'm not saying you have to bid 3m as forcing, but I would ask you how you would bid the following if you don't play it as forcing. What is really needed is TRANSFERS over weak 2s :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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