Echognome Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ♠AKT9xx♥KJTx♦---♣Axx Uncontested auction, love all at MPs. 3♣ - 3♠4♠ - ? How rosy is your view? What now? What if you are playing IMPs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm passing this, and I don't think it's close. I'm not moving at IMPs either, but that's a closer call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hmm, changed my mind again. Back to just passing, 5♦ if desperate at IMPs as a punt, 6♣ also okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Pass.No reason why we should expect to make slam. For example, we will often (usually?) be off the ♥A and the ♠Q, even before worrying about the club suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade. Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade. Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass. No agreements as such. First time playing together, which meant I felt it all the more likely that partner had a sound call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hmm yeah agree with that Matt. With a regular partner I would surely pass though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 It makes a difference whether partner was first or second seat. It feels like I am worth one move but if partner's clubs are not running then the five-level is very dangerous. So I pass. If I could move then I would want to be able to offer 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade. Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass. No agreements as such. First time playing together, which meant I felt it all the more likely that partner had a sound call. I agree that partners who haven't seen your preempts yet will bid more disciplined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Is that something you need to discuss? I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 6S. Hope 6-7C to KQ/KJ10 with SQx. May not even need H-guess(Q or A onside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 6S. Hope 6-7C to KQ/KJ10 with SQx. May not even need H-guess(Q or A onside). That seems incredibly optimistic. I think 4♠ can be on ♠ xx. And there is no guarantee that partner has the ♣ K. Other things being equal ... Let's say partner has two spades then there is only a 2:5 against chance that he has the ♠Q. Even if partner has three spades then it is 3:4 against that he has the spade queen. Of course then there is a chance that the spades will break or he has the jack and the queen drops. In clubs if he has six then it is 6:4 on that he has the ♣K and if he has seven clubs then it is 7:3 on. There are added chances with the club QJ etc but they might require an entry to the dummy. I think two spades is more likely than three and six clubs is more likely than seven (although this may depend on your pre-empting style). The best chance is when partner has three spades and seven clubs but then we are still only a combined chance of 3/7 x 7/10 = 3/10 to cover both losers (plus some residuals). The worst chance is much worse 2/7 x 6/10 = 6/35 < 20% Of course these numbers might be affected by the fact that partner did decide to open but they have to improve a lot to cover our losers. There are other possibilities but all slim when you consider the possession of the ♥ A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'm gonna pass unless pard is solid (in which case I bid 6♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I pass. If you think of slamming now, I think that you shouldn't have bid 3♠. It would have been better to just bash 6♣. The new information that you got from partner's 4♠ bid is that partner is more likely to have three small spades. That is not good news. So, if you were thinking of slam all along, the 4♠ bid should make you shy away from bidding it. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Is that something you need to discuss? I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage. Dunno, I would not assume it showed shortness so we would be on different wavelengths. Maybe you do not preempt with 3226 but I am not as sound :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Expecting ♣K from partner is not expecting much for a vulnerable opening, I find it close but I would move on. Knowing partner would help to find out what he's got in spades, but with no notion I think 6♣ is our best shot (it was still the round before :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Fluffy, love all means non-vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 really?, damn, love should mean red, not white nor green lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 For what it's worth partner held: ♠Jx♥x♦Jxxx♣KQJxxx Given we had just had a bottom, I punted 6♠ with the reasoning of protecting my ♥K on opening lead. That reasoning flew out the window when I saw dummy. But luck was with us when ♠Qx were onside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Cascade, let's see NO SQ, NO CK NO HA HQ so partner 3C on S-xx H-xx D-xxx C-Q109xxx. He is some kind of masochist! Rule of 5-6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Given we had just had a bottom, I punted 6♠ Excellent reasoning :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Cascade, let's see NO SQ, NO CK NO HA HQ so partner 3C on S-xx H-xx D-xxx C-Q109xxx. He is some kind of masochist! Rule of 5-6? There are a whole lot of diamond honours out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Is that something you need to discuss? I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage. Dunno, I would not assume it showed shortness so we would be on different wavelengths. Maybe you do not preempt with 3226 but I am not as sound :) No, I might well preempt with 3226. What I ought to have said was that I wouldn't expect to have to agree that 3C-3S-4red is a cue bid for spades - there really isn't any other sensible meaning. The question of whether it should promise shortage, a high-card control, or either is a separate matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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