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If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade.

 

Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.

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If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade.

 

Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.

No agreements as such. First time playing together, which meant I felt it all the more likely that partner had a sound call.

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It makes a difference whether partner was first or second seat.

 

It feels like I am worth one move but if partner's clubs are not running then the five-level is very dangerous. So I pass.

 

If I could move then I would want to be able to offer 6.

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If you bid 6 I think you should go in clubs, partner could easily have a doubleton spade.

 

Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S? Any agreement? With that agreement I would pass for sure. The only way I would bid is if 3C usually delivered 2 of the top 3 and a 7 card suit or something. With myself I would def pass.

No agreements as such. First time playing together, which meant I felt it all the more likely that partner had a sound call.

I agree that partners who haven't seen your preempts yet will bid more disciplined.

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6S. Hope 6-7C to KQ/KJ10 with SQx. May not even need H-guess(Q or A onside).

That seems incredibly optimistic.

 

I think 4 can be on xx.

 

And there is no guarantee that partner has the K.

 

Other things being equal ...

 

Let's say partner has two spades then there is only a 2:5 against chance that he has the Q.

 

Even if partner has three spades then it is 3:4 against that he has the spade queen. Of course then there is a chance that the spades will break or he has the jack and the queen drops.

 

In clubs if he has six then it is 6:4 on that he has the K and if he has seven clubs then it is 7:3 on. There are added chances with the club QJ etc but they might require an entry to the dummy.

 

I think two spades is more likely than three and six clubs is more likely than seven (although this may depend on your pre-empting style).

 

The best chance is when partner has three spades and seven clubs but then we are still only a combined chance of 3/7 x 7/10 = 3/10 to cover both losers (plus some residuals). The worst chance is much worse 2/7 x 6/10 = 6/35 < 20%

 

Of course these numbers might be affected by the fact that partner did decide to open but they have to improve a lot to cover our losers.

 

There are other possibilities but all slim when you consider the possession of the A.

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I pass.

 

If you think of slamming now, I think that you shouldn't have bid 3. It would have been better to just bash 6.

 

The new information that you got from partner's 4 bid is that partner is more likely to have three small spades. That is not good news. So, if you were thinking of slam all along, the 4 bid should make you shy away from bidding it.

 

Rik

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Gnome do you play 4red as a cuebid for spades over 3S?

Is that something you need to discuss? I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage.

Dunno, I would not assume it showed shortness so we would be on different wavelengths. Maybe you do not preempt with 3226 but I am not as sound :)

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Expecting K from partner is not expecting much for a vulnerable opening, I find it close but I would move on. Knowing partner would help to find out what he's got in spades, but with no notion I think 6 is our best shot (it was still the round before :))
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Is that something you need to discuss?  I'd just assume that four of a red suit showed spade support and shortage.

Dunno, I would not assume it showed shortness so we would be on different wavelengths. Maybe you do not preempt with 3226 but I am not as sound :)

No, I might well preempt with 3226.

 

What I ought to have said was that I wouldn't expect to have to agree that 3C-3S-4red is a cue bid for spades - there really isn't any other sensible meaning. The question of whether it should promise shortage, a high-card control, or either is a separate matter.

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