Guest Jlall Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private. Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps" Believing them means they have 10 tricks for their red/white 4S bid? I guess we should always save when they bid 4S red/white. I guess X should never be passed and should just get taken out every time since RHO always has 10 tricks... Hey your buddy Bob says this. Complain to him please :) He also says to always bid 3N when it is a reasonable option, it is everyone else who mangles the interpretations of these rules and applies them incorrectly. My gripe is not the rule, it is the wrong application by intermediate players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private. Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps" Believing them means they have 10 tricks for their red/white 4S bid? I guess we should always save when they bid 4S red/white. I guess X should never be passed and should just get taken out every time since RHO always has 10 tricks... Hey your buddy Bob says this. Complain to him please :) He also says to always bid 3N when it is a reasonable option, it is everyone else who mangles the interpretations of these rules and applies them incorrectly. My gripe is not the rule, it is the wrong application by intermediate players. Justin, I'm inferring from your comments that this is a poor application of the rule I cited? Please explain why you think Hamman's rule would not apply to this auction. Or are you saying, just bid whats in front of your nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Justin, I'm inferring from your comments that this is a poor application of the rule I cited? yes Please explain why you think Hamman's rule would not apply to this auction. I already did please re-read post. Or are you saying, just bid whats in front of your nose? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 they made 6NT= :) oh no, they just made a NV 6NT=. pd had QxKT98xxxKQJx We will come closer to setting this if partner has a better opening hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Phil, if your opponents know how to bid they don't know whether they make 4♠ when they overcall 4♠, no matter what the colors are. So believing them means believing them they don't know whether they are making, and our hand is an indication that probably they are not, and maybe we have a make on the 5-level if partner is shapely. The short version of the previous sentence is "Double". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Arend - I think the principle means that someone who isn't a lunatic who bid 4♠ at these colors realizes the call is very likely to get doubled. Accordingly, RHO expects not to go down a whole lot. It doesn't mean that he thinks he is making, but it isn't a frivolous call either. I can tell you that if I have certain players on my right, like Chris Larsen, who has the soundest preempts of anyone I have ever seen, I probably wouldn't double. He will not go down more than 1 I guarantee it, and its not like we have some big surprise like a trump stack. In fairness as Patty says, pard doesn't have an opening hand. This is why as you say: ...believing them means believing them they don't know whether they are making, and our hand is an indication that probably they are not, In other words, against a competent RHO, we won't have a hand we hold very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Maybe Chirs Larsen would never do it, but I don't think it is incompetent to jump to 4♠ with KQT9xxxx x Axx x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 it's completely routine to bid 4 on that hand... but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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