gwnn Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 xxAxQxxxAxxxx with a few spots here and there 1♥ by partner (<-dealer at favorable IMP), 4♠ by RHO, to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 dbl, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Reluctant double.This is a takeout double, and I really hate doing this on a doubleton spade, but it is difficult to pass with all these Aces. Perhaps Pass would be better, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Agree with Nuno. X wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Easy double (which doesn't mean it is the perfect hand for it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Yes double, perfect hand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Double and happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Easy X. Don't roll over and die, it may be a double game hand, or they may just be down a couple (4S with 8 tricks is certainly reasonable). If you pass you will get stolen from too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private. Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Easy cardshowing double here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 they made 6NT= :rolleyes: oh no, they just made a NV 6NT=. pd had QxKT98xxxKQJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 What was double? If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private. Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps" Believing them means they have 10 tricks for their red/white 4S bid? I guess we should always save when they bid 4S red/white. I guess X should never be passed and should just get taken out every time since RHO always has 10 tricks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 What was double? If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5♣. Really don't agree. Just because a double does not show a trump stack does not mean partner should randomly pull to the 5 level. He must act on the assumption you can beat them and his pulling must be with the expectation to pass. You would X on Kxx Axx KQx xxxx as well. Passing with partners hand is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 What was double? If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5♣. Really don't agree. Just because a double does not show a trump stack does not mean partner should randomly pull to the 5 level. He must act on the assumption you can beat them and his pulling must be with the expectation to pass. You would X on Kxx Axx KQx xxxx as well. Passing with partners hand is normal.I would pass with Kxx Axx KQx xxxx.I play double of 4♠ as takeout, not cards. I dislike having as many as 2 spades for this double, I certainly won't have Kxx. Agree that if double is just cards, and could include Kxx spade, that opener's pass is correct. Also, I would pass the double as opener (nowhere to go) with Qx KT98x xxx KQJ. But on the actual hand I believe bidding is correct opposite a takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Ok I think you are losing a ton if you pass on good balanced hands then in order to keep your X as pure takeout. Good balanced hands are the most common hand type that I see, so I am happy to double with those. If partner took out my X after I Xed with the hand I gave I would feel confident that he has decent chances in 5H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 What was double? If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5♣. Pass is clear over this double. Double even if 'takeout' at this level does not show 4+=4+ in the minors. Therefore bidding with some minimum 5-4-2-2 hand is asking for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 As always agree with Nuno and Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Pass is clear over this double. Double even if 'takeout' at this level does not show 4+=4+ in the minors. Therefore bidding with some minimum 5-4-2-2 hand is asking for disaster.No.Pass is clear if double is cards. If by " 'takeout' " you mean cards, then yes, pass is clear.But by " 'takeout' " I mean takeout: ie short spades, and support for the other suits. Passing with a good second suit and no defence is asking for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I think you are losing a lot if you choose to make x here "primarily takeout." I play that all doubles of 4-level preempts are primarily card-showing; whether this is a good idea over 4♣/4♦/4♥ is debatable, but over 4♠, it seems clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Pass is clear over this double. Double even if 'takeout' at this level does not show 4+=4+ in the minors. Therefore bidding with some minimum 5-4-2-2 hand is asking for disaster.No.Pass is clear if double is cards. If by " 'takeout' " you mean cards, then yes, pass is clear.But by " 'takeout' " I mean takeout: ie short spades, and support for the other suits. Passing with a good second suit and no defence is asking for disaster. I guess this is just a nomenclature or style thing. We call our doubles 'takeout' or 'negative' with the condition that higher doubles are less shape specific. If you don't like doubling with two or three spades there must be a lot of hands with values that you cannot bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private. Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps" Believing them means they have 10 tricks for their red/white 4S bid? I guess we should always save when they bid 4S red/white. I guess X should never be passed and should just get taken out every time since RHO always has 10 tricks... Hey your buddy Bob says this. Complain to him please :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 What is this problem doing here? Any bridge player would double on responder's hand and pass on opener's, regardless of the precise name they give to the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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