jchiu Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sak10xhaxdaqjxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: XIMP1♣ on your right[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I might bid 1♦. I voted dbl but would not be so comfortable after 1♥, cuebid, 2♥, pass. Might be a 4-2 fit. Oh well, it probably doesn't happen and even if it does, p might make it, or opps might bid 3♣ or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 1♦ appeals, you can reverse into ♠ afterwards, at least you haven't lied about your ♠ length then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Dbl. Only a problem if pard bids 1♥. I like everything else less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrigg Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Double for me. If it was perfect this wouldnt be a problem, but what else can I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Dbl + 1NT seems canonical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Agree with double, planning to bid 2♣ after a 1♥ bid by partner, then pass 2♥.Most other auctions should be more pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 1♦ has appeal. Though I'd probably just bid 1NT at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'd do anything but the option the actual player took at the table. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 1♠ My partner held this hand the other day, I swear to God. At least it was EXTREMELY similar. Same auction, too. I responded 1♥.... '@#$@#%' and she then proceeded to bid clubs and spades, we ended in 3♣ -2.... and I was worried we'd missed 5♣. This was MPs, of course. At IMPs maybe X becomes more attractive. But I really like 1♠ here. Edit: Woops!! wasn't the same auction. Opener bid diamonds at the 1 and 2-levels. Minors were reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 In descending order: 1. 1 Diamond2. 1 Spade3. 1 NT4. Double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 double, no problem yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Double, will pass 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alansc Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Dbl followed by 1S. Keeps the auction low. All thats missing is a spade x. All other bids are more lacking in a significant feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 X. 1 NT is not for me, but the alternative.Another, but more remote than 1NT would be 1S. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: I will pass 1H, if partner cant showlive, we wont miss anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 This is a very easy double, nothing else even comes close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I think you could get into problems with double. Of course you can get into problems with other actions too. 1♦ appeals to me if we eventually play spades or no trumps or hearts (usually the most important contracts) then we will probably be ok. Any other action and we are not sure - a 1♠ overcall may lead to a poor Moysian; a 1NT overcall may lead to 3NT without a decent club stopper and X may lead to a poor heart contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 1♠. Strong hand, strong suit, alternatives stink--perfect conditions for a four-card major overcall. Second choice 1♦, but I don't like it. Why encourage partner or opponents to bid hearts? Our most likely game is 3NT if partner stops clubs, followed by 4♠. 5♦ is not so likely. Now if we play that 1NT is based on shape and values and is agnostic about stoppers (responder will inquire before going to 3NT if he lacks a club stopper) then 1NT looks fairly good, but may wrong side the contract if partner has a positional stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I think you could get into problems with double. Of course you can get into problems with other actions too. 1♦ appeals to me if we eventually play spades or no trumps or hearts (usually the most important contracts) then we will probably be ok. Any other action and we are not sure - a 1♠ overcall may lead to a poor Moysian; a 1NT overcall may lead to 3NT without a decent club stopper and X may lead to a poor heart contract. Very good analysis, Wayne. If spades is a poor moysian, it will be because they have the hearts and lead them. Bidding 1♠ may shut out the heart bid that makes it more likely for them to lead hearts, so at least sometimes we will steal it in a 4-3 spade fit when they lead clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I think you could get into problems with double. Of course you can get into problems with other actions too. 1♦ appeals to me if we eventually play spades or no trumps or hearts (usually the most important contracts) then we will probably be ok. Any other action and we are not sure - a 1♠ overcall may lead to a poor Moysian; a 1NT overcall may lead to 3NT without a decent club stopper and X may lead to a poor heart contract. Very good analysis, Wayne. If spades is a poor moysian, it will be because they have the hearts and lead them. Bidding 1♠ may shut out the heart bid that makes it more likely for them to lead hearts, so at least sometimes we will steal it in a 4-3 spade fit when they lead clubs. I don't think you will steal it that often. With these poor clubs even a club lead will only delay the force when a heart hits at trick two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Very good analysis, Wayne. If spades is a poor moysian, it will be because they have the hearts and lead them. Bidding 1♠ may shut out the heart bid that makes it more likely for them to lead hearts, so at least sometimes we will steal it in a 4-3 spade fit when they lead clubs. Most people can show a 4+ card suit after 1♦ 1♠ without so much as getting the level higher. 1♠ isn't even going to slow them down. 1NT has at least a little pre-emptive effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 These days I am doubling with this hand but I keep changing my opinion on this hand type. Really any of X, 1D, 1S is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 To the other doublers, what do you do if it goes p-1H-p next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 To the other doublers, what do you do if it goes p-1H-p next? 1S, I think passing is too much of a view. Partner could have some 9 count, or some random hand with 4 hearts that is not very good that will bid 2S or 1N over 1S. Hopefully if he has Jxx Kxxx xx KJxx he will get NT in play but I'm sure that is wishful thinking. I'll take my chances in 4S opposite this rather than being in 1H though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I opted for 1♠, and the 'arguments' of the doublers haven't persuaded me otherwise. Nothing is perfect, but: 1. I double and bid 1♠ over 1♥, the most probable response and certainly a response for which I have to be prepared. He will often overbid now, especially with xxx in spades, which he will think is great support for a suit that is always 5 good and usually 6+ in length. What if he bids 2♥ (over the double)? Now, we have the values for game, altho we may not have enough tricks... and how do we resolve denomination issues over 2♥? Bid 2♠? Bid 3♣? 2. I bid 1♠. Worst case scenario is that he passes and we are in the wrong suit. It seems vanishingly unlikely that he will pass 1♠ with any hand on which 4♠ is good. He may pass when 3N from his side is best, or when we have a diamond partial... but double won't get us to the diamond partial when he also has 4 hearts. Even when 1♠ is 'wrong', the opps may rescue us, via a negative double, a 1N bid on our left or a reopening on our right (altho p p x leaves me awkwardly placed) And if partner will bid 1N over our double, he will bid 1N over our 1♠ Now, admittedly, I would be (more) comfortable with my choice if we played transfer advances, because partner can advance to 2 red on weak hands with long suits: if he has 6+ hearts and a weak hand, he may well transfer and I will jump accept. BTW, for me, 1♦ is the 4th choice: I place them as 1♠ 100, 1N 80 double 70 1♦ 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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