pclayton Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 All white, IMPS ♠8xx ♥Txx ♦9xxx ♣xxx 1♣ on right (could be 2), you pass, 1♥ on left, pard overcalls 1♠. Supp x on right, LHO pulls to 1N. Pard doubles. Sit or pull? Do different conditions change your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Pull, takeout doubles are meant to be taken out. Fortunately I have three card support and can go grab another Guinness as he plays 2♠X. Not even close for me. Had I one fewer spade and one more heart, I might chance the licking in 2♦X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Can't really imagine not bidding 2♠ here. I think they're making 1NT, and I don't think 2♠ is going for a huge number (or even getting doubled). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Why would i want to pull ? partner got a 2nt opening with 53 in the Majors.If they make it then its -180 so what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Why would i want to pull ? partner got a 2nt opening with 53 in the Majors.If they make it then its -180 so what. And if they make overtrick(s) its a bit more. 2S for me, pd's double is takeout anyway and why should she have a 2NT opening?Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand? Sure looks that way :)Told you 1♦ would work better *g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Pull. We got a long suit, they got a long suit. 1NTX+1 quite possible........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Why would i want to pull ? partner got a 2nt opening with 53 in the Majors.If they make it then its -180 so what. A 1S overcall with 20 hcp in a balanced hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 agree with the choo, with the caveat that I prefer vodka to Guiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Pull, takeout doubles are meant to be taken out. Is it really takeout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Is it really takeout? No, it shows cards. It asks me to do something intelligent, which is generally difficult of course, but in this case not. 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'm pulling this one. Much less of a downside. Furthermore, I really don't think we're setting 1NT a lot if we CAN set it so we've missed out on a +100... so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 1Nx is clearly favourite to make overtricks. The question is whether we can escape for less in 1Nx or 2Sx. My first impression is to always pull because 2♠ could make, might not get doubled, opps might bid on and generally it forces the opponents to take their points rather than handing it to them on a plate. But the more I think about it, the less sure I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 2♠ is obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 We didn't hear what RHO did over partner's double so presumably he passed. The lack of a redouble suggests to me that we have a fair chance of escaping in 2♠ undoubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand? No. I can say with authority as I held both the hand in question in this thread and the 4-4 S&D hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhall Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Partner has given me a place to run, so I run: 2♠. Actually, I expect pass will earn -280, while 2♠ will result in -300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I held this hand and passed. Declarer was +380 I think (Bill's close). Best defense in 2♠ x'd looks like -500, and -300 is a cinch. I'm not convinced of the plurality, quite frankly. Consider this: 1. I expect pard to hold at least an 18 count or more, mostly due to the fact the opponents have subsided in 1N. 2. If LHO has a trump stack (he held KQJx), it's bad news all around. We are getting nailed in 2♠ and there's a strong double or triple stopper for our source of tricks. Do you think it's easier to take 7 tricks on defense or 8 tricks on offense? The worse of a position we are in, the better pass looks. If we take 6, 5, 4, or 3 tricks on defense, the score is -180, -280, -380, -480. Say we can take one more additional trick with spades trump, so we would be taking 7, 6, 5 or 4 tricks on offense. The spread is now -100, -300, -500, -800. 3. If LHO has a stopper, but a marginal trump stack, our chances on defense are a lot better, but in fairness, we are less likely to get doubled in 2♠ as well, but 1N will not be making very often either. If we are vulnerable, I think this is a real easy pass. If we are white on red, it's an easy pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 How can it be take-out if so on what suits ? Opps rate to have a 7 card fit in H so prtner cant be short in H nor does he want to play in H. So either hes got D maybe even C (wich he can bid 2C & 2D) but he doesnt have both minors for sure. So hes got a big balanced hand. I would never X with only 18-19. Those who think its impossible to have 20-22 and make an overcall would you X and bid 2S with AKQJxAxxQXXKQ ? After (1X)----P-----(1Y)------??? its not balancing and expect partner to be broke when you have 18 +So why would you want to X 1Nt with 18-19 pts ?Why would you want to X and bid a new suit with 20-22 pts and a balanced hand ? Im not saying i expect to get rich by defending 1Nt just that why be sure to get a minus when you might get a +. If they make an overtrick then partner made a mistake not you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 If LHO has a trump stack (he held KQJx), it's bad news all around. It is funny, this is actually one of the holdings that worried me a lot, but I discarded it as unlikely :). Let's say I pull to 2S. LHO has to make a 2-level penalty double with his trumps in front of the strong hand while his partner has promised nothing more than an 11-count with 3 hearts. Sure, he might hit this, but I'd say it's sort of unlikely. Now it comes back to RHO, and while I bet he has extras, he can't really double for penalty without any trumps and partner having promised little more than ♠Kxx. He has to either pass or take us off the hook by bidding. He might even not have extras, in which case he has an obvious pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Let's say I pull to 2S. LHO has to make a 2-level penalty double with his trumps in front of the strong hand while his partner has promised nothing more than an 11-count with 3 hearts. Sure, he might hit this, but I'd say it's sort of unlikely. If you don't double with a max 1N and KQJx of spades, you'll never dbl 2♠ in this sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I also think KQJx is very unlikely. I think partner will often have something like a 17-count with a good spade suit, AQ10xxx is certainly possible. In that case I expect 2S to survive reasonably well and 1NT to make easily. So I would pull for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 There is no reason to expect trumps to break badly, 2S seems clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Well, there was this 1NT call so there is some reason to expect spades on your left. But I agree that there is no reason for spades to break *this* badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 2S, why would you expect to get doubled? You have close to half the deck and an 8 card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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