rbforster Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 First to bid playing 2/1, you hold: [hv=s=shak8xxdkj9xxcakx]133|100|Scoring: ?[/hv] Uncontested, the auction proceeds: 1♥-1♠2♦-2♥? What's your call? Also, do you agree with the conservative 2♦ rebid, or would you favor a more aggressive 3♦ rebid instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 At IMP's, I have to admit that I'd probably blast 4♥ and hope the lack of information helps me make 4♥. At MP, 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I like 3♣, tells p that spades may be a concern in 3NT. And on occasion we belong in 3♣ or 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I hate 4H at any form of scoring. First choice is 3♣, second is 3♦. One shows the third club, the other the fifth diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 2♦ is bad, no matter your methods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 3C, the only other call I considered was 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 3♣. Focuses on your spade shortage and allows pard to take preference to 3♦ with 2=3 in the reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 3♦, the only other call I considered was 3♣. I don't understand the criticism of 2♦. Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks this is a gf?? For those who do, I suggest you run a simulation giving partner no more than 2♥s and 4+ spades with 5-7 hcp and see how you like your auctions now. I bid 3♦ because partner will often have preferenced to 2♥ with 3♦s: thus Kxxxx Qx Qxx Qxx is, to me, an automatic 2♥.. and the knowledge of a 5th diamond in a hand with game interest will be more useful than 3♣ which is somewhere between ambiguous and misleading re club length, while essentially denying the 5th diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I like to follow the rule of 12..if there is a bid you can make that describes 12 of your cards, make it. That has always been my justification for bidding 3C instead of 3D in situations like this. I really doubt it makes much difference as long as you choose one of the 2. Your 2D bid was perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 3♣ seems fine. I would probably bid 3♦ instead with one club honor being in either other suit instead. Also 2♦ rebid is the most normal rebid I've ever seen. Aside from not quite being good enough for 3♦, you lose the chance to make a third rebid showing your shape forever, and you have a void in the suit partner bid. Not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 This was the actual hand - [hv=n=shak8xxdkj9xxcakx&s=saj98xhxxdcqt8xxx]133|200|[/hv] 3N or 5♣ were good places, and even 6♣ might be possible with a slightly better responder or some luck. Seems hard to get to clubs at all if one chooses a 3♦ rebid at either opener's first or second turn and we might miss game too (stopping in 3♥ or 3♦ sometimes). 3♣ on the other hand seems at least to move the auction in the right direction. PS For Ken's 4♥ blast, I've got this slightly different one :D [hv=s=saj98xhxdxcqt8xxx]133|100|Scoring: ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yep. I probably make 4♥ at IMPs. As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yep. I probably make 4♥ at IMPs. As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠. I played with a random yesterday. He held Axxxx, x, QJTxxx, x. Auction started 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♣. He found the genius rebid of 2♠. Whats more amazing is that he didn't run to 3♦ after it was smacked. I held: x, KQJTx Ax Jxxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I think rebidding your suit with 5116 is the norm as well (rather than preferencing on a stiff). I don't know how you could call this a genius bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 As to the "part two" 5116 -- 2♠. Agree with 2S. Edit: Darn, Justin just ahead of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Funny how on my proposed 5116 hand we get 4/4 replies so far in favor of (re)bidding spades rather than taking a preference with a stiff. 80% of you, including Han and Justin bid a clear 2♥ last year when I asked about the same auction with 5116. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 80% of you, including Han and Justin bid a clear 2♥ last year when I asked about the same auction with 5116.First hand[hv=d=&v=&s=saj98xhxdxcqt8xxx]133|100|[/hv] Second hand.[hv=d=&v=&s=saj98xhxdxcqt8xxx]133|100|[/hv] These two hands are not the same. (besides, I hate to disagree with cherdano) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 well said han! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I don't like my chances opposite 10xxxx-x-x-AKxxxx, BTW. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Strongly agree with the 2♦ rebid here - this is no GF hand.Also agree with rebiddign 3♣, clearly gives partner the best picture of our hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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