kfay Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sajhxdakxxxcakxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(2♠)-P-(P)-?[/hv] What's your plan on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I would like to double first and bid 2 NT next round to show the minors.But maybe there is a little hole in this approach. So I try 4 NT. If I start with double I cannot handle Heart rebids.If I start with 3 Spade, i cannot handle 4 Club well.So 4 NT is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Also 4NT for me, not enough for 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 3N for me, a bit heavy for 2N or 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 4NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 4NT - the practical bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 AT MPs I would have bid 3NT btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 4NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You play musical chairs and pick up this collection: [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sq10xhakxxxdxcq10xx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(2♠)-P-(P)-4NT(P)-?[/hv] What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 What now? 5♥ has got to be a cuebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 3N for me, a bit heavy for 2N or 3♦. Isn't 3NT to play? I don't think you have enough for that. Edit===Whoops I missed a king. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You play musical chairs and pick up this collection: [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sq10xhakxxxdxcq10xx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(2♠)-P-(P)-4NT(P)-?[/hv] What now? This is a great hand and partner is bidding 4NT expecting to make 5m opposite a much worse hand. I think I'd end up in 6C, maybe just 4NT-6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I think I'd end up in 6C, maybe just 4NT-6C. This is how the auction went at the table. 7♣ makes, which I don't think is a big surprise. This post is all about really seeing if there's some intelligent way to bid that. Maybe it's not a great spot but it's pretty good anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Whoops, please correct my ugly typo in your quote. :) I don't see any auction starting with 4NT where you can bid 7C with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Showing the minors usually seems to work out better than 3NT on this sort of hand. So I would bid 4NT. Well actually in my partnership we use 4♠ for the minors and 4NT is an ace ask in case you are ever dealt a monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 What now? 5♥ has got to be a cuebid. I am not convinced of this. Why can't you be dealt seven or eight hearts and two-two or worse in the minors. One of the advantages of showing specific two-suiters is that partner can bid the other suit unambiguously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Whoops, please correct my ugly typo in your quote. :D I don't see any auction starting with 4NT where you can bid 7C with confidence. I am not sure this is a good auction, but I think if the advancing hand can find a 5♥ cuebid, then the 4N bidder has to force to 7m, his partner his trying for a grand slam with at most one ace and no keycard in overcaller's suits. I think I would also bid 6♣ as advancer, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 It would have been a fun problem if we had not seen partner's hand and we were asked what to do over 5H. Maybe you are right. There is still the problem that 5H might be natural as Wayne points out. Many hands with really long hearts would be able to act over 2S but certainly not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 If my partner bid 5♥ over 4N, I'd assume it was a cuebid. 4N for the minors, if that were our method, will as often be on some moderate high card 6-6 as it will be on a powerhouse, since we can't (in most methods) show a wild minor 2-suiter via any lower bid. Thus I think it a serious error to allow advancer to suggest playing in 5♥ on a suit and hand that he couldn't introduce over 2♠. No, he simply sucks it up and bids the minor in which he wants to play: surely it is overwhelmingly likely that he has 2 in one of them? And on a frequency/cost approach, it must be better to reserve 5♥ as a cue bid than to assume that 5♥ to play will survive any better than 5 minor on a complete misfit? It's not as if the 5♥ bidder can expect to ruff spade losers in dummy :D So for me, 5♥ begets 5♠. In turn, this could get 6♣ raised to 7♣ on the theory that 5♥ was a slam force, and thus a grand slam try and surely needs the Qxxx or some 5 card holding to justify it. Not sure how much of this analysis is based on knowing the hands :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Also 4NT for me, not enough for 4♠. agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 4nt-----5♥5♠------6♣ i dont have the balls to bid 7pass--- me neither 5H is 100% cue-bid. If you had 7H and decided to pass then stick your H suit up your $#^% and forget about them. In imps ill be very satisfied to be in 6C. 7C need D43 & Clubs 3-1 so there is no need to be in 7C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 5H is 100% cue-bid. If you had 7H and decided to pass then stick your H suit up your $#^% and forget about them. :P This is one of the more hilarious things I've read in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Like 3D, then 4C over 3H and 4S over 4H. Hope partner pictures CQ, DQ, HA, SK with 3+minor support are gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Like 3D, then 4C over 3H and 4S over 4H. Hope partner pictures CQ, DQ, HA, SK with 3+minor support are gold. The problem with this is that if you switch partner's minors or do pretty much anything to their hand you're probably going to play in 3♦. And on this auction you'd have a good shot at playing in 4♣ and I'm pretty sure you're not going higher than 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 4nt-----5♥7C need D43 & Clubs 3-1 so there is no need to be in 7C.It is possible to cope with some 5-2 diamond breaks as well, especially played from the short hand. [hv=w=sajhxdakxxxcakxxx&e=sq10xhakxxxdxcq10xx]266|100|[/hv]On a trump lead around to the Q10, I cash DAK, then ruff a diamond. If they break, I cross in spades and ruff the diamonds good, with a high trump if necessary, and draw trumps. If opener shows out on the third diamond, I crossruff instead.It's not clear whether I should have cashed HAK at trick two - this gains against 6=2=2=3, but loses to 6=1=3=3 or 6=1=4=2. On a spade lead, I can't afford to cash a second diamond, because I'll get into a mess when opener has four diamonds. Instead, I play DA, diamond ruff, C to dummy, diamond. If opener follows, I ruff, cash CQ and HAK, ruff a spade and draw trumps. If opener shows out on the third diamond, I can still make if he's 6=3=2=2: ruff, overtake CQ, and cash my minor suit winners, squeezing both opponents. On a heart lead neither of these plans work. The best I can do is to play opener for 6=3=2=2 with CJ: HAK, DA, diamond ruff, SA, diamond ruff (North discarding a heart), heart ruff high, club finesse, heart ruff high, CQ, drawing all their trumps. I now have a good heart to throw dummy's diamond loser on, and a trump in dummy to get to DK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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