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I don't think i have a near minimum and partner might have stretched.

 

We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3. I would expect partner to bid 5 more often than not with a heart fit.

 

The opponent's do not always have ten trumps for 5 when they are at favourable vulnerability.

 

I have good controls but just a reasonable minimum hcp.

 

I have poor shape aside from the one extra heart.

 

All in all not enough to stretch further.

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Well I bid 6, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5 would clearly be forcing to me.

We established a GF and the opponents are favorable. I can't imagine even the staunchest of the "I'm too cool to play forcing passes" crowd thinking P is NF.

 

Standard would be to play pass and pull to 5H to be a strong heart raise.

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On second thought, the forcing pass issue is kind of irrelevant (unless partner thought immediate 5 was strong, but thats not standard). Even if partner is void in diamonds I dont think he can really have a good raise missing the 3 controls that we have. I'll stick with 6.
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KQxxx Axxx x xxx one time? lol. We seriously need very little, I think we have to go. Don't play partner for the perfecta is fine but there are way too many perfectas for this one.
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Well I bid 6, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5 would clearly be forcing to me.

I had never played with this partner before, but I'm sure everybody with common sense would play this pass as forcing and pass followed by a pull would show a better hand than 5H directly.

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Well I bid 6, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5 would clearly be forcing to me.

I had never played with this partner before, but I'm sure everybody with common sense would play this pass as forcing and pass followed by a pull would show a better hand than 5H directly.

But the pass to begin with (without expecting a pull to be coming) would promise suitability for hearts, so 5 expects to make. He won't have stretched here since a forcing pass would convey that message. In which case I think we can make 6, hopefully. But I won't enter into the fun game of "best hand partner can have with no diamond control" vs "worse hand partner can have which makes slam".

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Here's a better hand where slam has no play:

 

KQxxxx

AQx

xx

KQ

He would need a hand about this good to bid 5H with xx diamonds. The odds of the opps bidding this much when we have all the other points and they have 9 diamonds seems extremely low. So this whole parlay seems near-ridiculous to me.

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We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3.  I would expect partner to bid 5 more often than not with a heart fit.

Well, partner is very unlikely to be bidding 5 over 5 with 3 card support in a balanced hand. Why volunteer to play in an 8 card fit at the 5 level when you could be defending 5X? And if these hands are ruled out, slam is suddenly looking much better.

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Here's a better hand where slam has no play:

 

KQxxxx

AQx

xx

KQ

He would need a hand about this good to bid 5H with xx diamonds. The odds of the opps bidding this much when we have all the other points and they have 9 diamonds seems extremely low. So this whole parlay seems near-ridiculous to me.

Ok i concede a singleton or void diamond with partner is more likely.

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We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3.  I would expect partner to bid 5 more often than not with a heart fit.

Well, partner is very unlikely to be bidding 5 over 5 with 3 card support in a balanced hand. Why volunteer to play in an 8 card fit at the 5 level when you could be defending 5X? And if these hands are ruled out, slam is suddenly looking much better.

Just because you have three card support doesn't mean that you have an eight-card fit. Sure partner's 3 only promised five hearts but he will have six or seven hearts fairly often.

 

You can't have it both ways and assume that they have a ten-card fit and we have only an eight-card fit.

 

When we have not yet shown a fit there is a bigger pressure on us supporting at the five-level than for bidding on after we have already established a fit at a lower level. If we do not show support with three-card support then partner with six or even seven bad hearts won't necessarily be able to rebid them.

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