han Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=saxhkjxxxxdxxcaxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1S-(3D)-3H-(5D)5H-(p)-??[/hv] Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I suck at dealing with preempts. 6♥. Partner could've x'd or passed and he didn't. If partner is void in diamonds, this slam rates to be great.If he has a stiff, it may still be very good.If he has a stiff and it's a bad slam, I might get lucky :wacko:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I suck at dealing with preempts. pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 6♥ Just a guess, but partner did not have to bid 5/5.If we give partner a perfect 10 count: Kxxxx, Axxx, x, Kxx - 6♥ is a good spot.Maybe he has a void diamond, maybe he has other useful cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I don't think i have a near minimum and partner might have stretched. We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3♥. I would expect partner to bid 5♥ more often than not with a heart fit. The opponent's do not always have ten trumps for 5♦ when they are at favourable vulnerability. I have good controls but just a reasonable minimum hcp. I have poor shape aside from the one extra heart. All in all not enough to stretch further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The opponent's do not always have ten trumps for 5♦ when they are at favourable vulnerability. I agree with this, but I don't think partner would bid 5H without a diamond control. He might have Ax, in which case we're not dead yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrigg Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me. We established a GF and the opponents are favorable. I can't imagine even the staunchest of the "I'm too cool to play forcing passes" crowd thinking P is NF. Standard would be to play pass and pull to 5H to be a strong heart raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrigg Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 On second thought, the forcing pass issue is kind of irrelevant (unless partner thought immediate 5♥ was strong, but thats not standard). Even if partner is void in diamonds I dont think he can really have a good raise missing the 3 controls that we have. I'll stick with 6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Pass. I think this will win in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Would 6♦ show full control of the suit in this auction or ask partner if he has full control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 KQxxx Axxx x xxx one time? lol. We seriously need very little, I think we have to go. Don't play partner for the perfecta is fine but there are way too many perfectas for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me. I had never played with this partner before, but I'm sure everybody with common sense would play this pass as forcing and pass followed by a pull would show a better hand than 5H directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Here's a better hand where slam has no play: ♠ KQxxxx♥ AQx♦ xx♣ KQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thanks Wayne, very enlightening. :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Well I bid 6♥, but I am not particularly happy about it. Do we have any agreements about what pass and pull of the double would be? Partner's pass of 5♦ would clearly be forcing to me. I had never played with this partner before, but I'm sure everybody with common sense would play this pass as forcing and pass followed by a pull would show a better hand than 5H directly. But the pass to begin with (without expecting a pull to be coming) would promise suitability for hearts, so 5♥ expects to make. He won't have stretched here since a forcing pass would convey that message. In which case I think we can make 6♥, hopefully. But I won't enter into the fun game of "best hand partner can have with no diamond control" vs "worse hand partner can have which makes slam". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Here's a better hand where slam has no play: ♠ KQxxxx♥ AQx♦ xx♣ KQ He would need a hand about this good to bid 5H with xx diamonds. The odds of the opps bidding this much when we have all the other points and they have 9 diamonds seems extremely low. So this whole parlay seems near-ridiculous to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3♥. I would expect partner to bid 5♥ more often than not with a heart fit.Well, partner is very unlikely to be bidding 5 over 5 with 3 card support in a balanced hand. Why volunteer to play in an 8 card fit at the 5 level when you could be defending 5♦X? And if these hands are ruled out, slam is suddenly looking much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 6h will risk that the opp have more than 9D on this bidding and no outside aces or kings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thanks Wayne, very enlightening. :P My pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Here's a better hand where slam has no play: ♠ KQxxxx♥ AQx♦ xx♣ KQ He would need a hand about this good to bid 5H with xx diamonds. The odds of the opps bidding this much when we have all the other points and they have 9 diamonds seems extremely low. So this whole parlay seems near-ridiculous to me. Ok i concede a singleton or void diamond with partner is more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 We encouraged partner to raise hearts when we bid 3♥. I would expect partner to bid 5♥ more often than not with a heart fit.Well, partner is very unlikely to be bidding 5 over 5 with 3 card support in a balanced hand. Why volunteer to play in an 8 card fit at the 5 level when you could be defending 5♦X? And if these hands are ruled out, slam is suddenly looking much better. Just because you have three card support doesn't mean that you have an eight-card fit. Sure partner's 3♥ only promised five hearts but he will have six or seven hearts fairly often. You can't have it both ways and assume that they have a ten-card fit and we have only an eight-card fit. When we have not yet shown a fit there is a bigger pressure on us supporting at the five-level than for bidding on after we have already established a fit at a lower level. If we do not show support with three-card support then partner with six or even seven bad hearts won't necessarily be able to rebid them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 6H. While may not make, if I bid 5H, I'd want partner to raise on a hand like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Hi, I would pass. Going plus is more important than reachinga slam, which may or may not be just a littlebit abvove 50% or 60%. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 We have little room to explore grand, so let's just settle for 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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