mikegill Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sqxxxhqxdaqxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] You open a 0+ precision 1♦, LHO bids 3♥, partner shows a slam try with both minors (at least 5-5). Assume partner has his bid, and your only options are 5d or 6d. Bid it or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Yes. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 ♠ Qxxx is a poorish holding ♥ Qx is a very poor holding ♦ AQxxx is great ♣ Kx is a good holding 13 hcp are average 3 controls are slightly below average Toss a coin - heads I bid it tails I don't. I wouldn't be surprised to find it cold and I wouldn't be surprised to find it had no play. On balance I think I would bid it - this might depend on what hands exactly are included in your 1♦ opening but assuming I could have some balanced rubbish my hand is much better than it might have been. I'm curious what is your method to show specifically a slammish hand with both minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Edit: I completely misread the problem so my original post was absurd and has been removed :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Since I was quoting and replying to a now removed post, I have removed this post as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Assuming I read the problem correctly, I would not bid slam. I do not have any certainty about holding my s/h/c losers to one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I would bid slam. I'm not 100% confident, but I'm >50% confident. The minor suits are just too good, I'm counting on partner in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I would not bid slam, I think my major suit holdings are too poor. I agree that it is very close though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 My major Q's look horrible, but my Kx of clubs looks great, not to mention my diamond support. I think I am worth some sort of shot, so I'll bid 4H, asking for heart control. Edit: Oh, now I realize I probably can't bid 4H, since partner's "slam try in minors" bid is almost certainly at least 4H. So...I'd probably just go to slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I would not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 My major Q's look horrible, but my Kx of clubs looks great, not to mention my diamond support. I think I am worth some sort of shot, so I'll bid 4H, asking for heart control. Under the conditions of the problem there is no guarantee that this bid is available. The auction has gone: 1♦ (3♥) ??? Where ??? is some bid to show a slammish hand with both minors - perhaps 4♥ or 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 My major Q's look horrible, but my Kx of clubs looks great, not to mention my diamond support. I think I am worth some sort of shot, so I'll bid 4H, asking for heart control. Under the conditions of the problem there is no guarantee that this bid is available. The auction has gone: 1♦ (3♥) ??? Where ??? is some bid to show a slammish hand with both minors - perhaps 4♥ or 4NT. People should just pretend it's 4NT which makes it clear the final decision is up to us. And for people to remember we haven't even shown diamonds yet, so 5♣ would be to play not some sort of further slam try for diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sqxxxhqxdaqxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] You open a 0+ precision 1♦, LHO bids 3♥, partner shows a slam try with both minors (at least 5-5). Assume partner has his bid, and your only options are 5d or 6d. Bid it or not? You open odd-count 4432s 1♦, right? So partner is forcing us to the 5 level without even knowing if we have 4 card support. So....xxKJTxxAQJxxx with a WJO to his right, everything's going to be off. If you had exactly the right 13 hcp, slam would be a lock. I don't know. I was going to post that I thought slam was obvious. Then I make a sample hand to destroy it, and I can't. If your partner has this (which IMO is a minimum on both shape and points) then you'd better bid 5. On the other hand... Kxx---KJTxxAQJxx that looks like a lock for slam to me. I don't know. Did he have any options for showing a heart void? I only have two hearts...if partner has a void that's an 11 card fit for them. They're giving up awfully meekly with that... I've changed my mind. I think 5♦ is right. P.S. I'd rather have Axxxx in diamonds than AQxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 He needs something like x, Ax,Kxxxx,AQxxx to make the slam, and this is surely not maximum for his bid, but rich on controls. OTOH, won´t HE bid 6 diamonds anyway with so much stuff? I have two useful cards (plus a nice shape in the minors) for him. Shouldn´t he expect at least that much? So I overrule my first thought and bid 5 ♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 No. 1D is limited to what strength 11-14, or 11-15?If 11-14, it could certainly be argued, that I ammax, if 11-15, I am at best average. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 On the brakes. Might have won already by not playing 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 is this supposed to be for real? we have a queen and 5 diamonds above our minimum hand. 6♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 is this supposed to be for real? we have a queen and 5 diamonds above our minimum hand. 6♦ Assuming this is a 'normal' Precision 1D opener, if we didn't have diamonds we would have had clubs and partner is entitled to expect one minor suit fit. Or can we have a weak NT as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechcold Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 You have to pay for playing 0+♦ opening. Now it's pure guess, but your majors are awful, so I would bid 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The 1d is not normal precision, and could be wk NT, 3-suiter short anywhere, single-suited diamonds, or 4M, 5+m (either one). Maybe I should have specified this earlier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 The 1d is not normal precision, and could be wk NT, 3-suiter short anywhere, single-suited diamonds, or 4M, 5+m (either one). Maybe I should have specified this earlier... This means partner will always have a sure 8 cardfit in a minor, as long as he holds 55 in the minorshimself? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Yes, the most major suit cards opener can hold is if he is (44)32, so an 8-card fit is guaranteed at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 For those who can't get past the "0+ diamonds": the only relevant part of that here as compared to normal Precision is that opener could have a 3-suiter short in diamonds. For those who can't get past the auction not being shown: assume you bid 4♥ over their 3♥ and then 4N over pard's natural 4♠ bid, and that both players understand that this shows a slam try with the minor suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Its close, the queens are awful, but so would be the a king opposite singleton, I think of something like x-Ax-Kxxxx-AJxxx, Slam is not perfect, but probably makes. I am gonna try 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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