rogerclee Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Playing IMPs, all white ♠xxx ♥AQxxx ♦Axxx ♣x Partner opens: 1♦-(P)-1♥-(2♣)2♦*-(3♣)-? 2♦ usually denies holding 3-card ♥ support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 4♣ has to be right as it's the most descriptive bid and all. It's not like we want to play 3NT here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 4♣ WTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the standard meaning of 4C here? I would imagine it is a GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the standard meaning of 4C here? I would imagine it is a GF. Sure, ... agreeing diamonds. And because 4D would be GF as well,4C is a splinter. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 4♣. Then 5♦ on a 4M cuebid, although it's tempting to blackwood over 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Are we really going to bid a good slam? I think 5♦ is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechcold Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the standard meaning of 4C here? I would imagine it is a GF. Sure, ... agreeing diamonds. And because 4D would be GF as well,4C is a splinter. With kind regardsMarlowe 4D would be GF? why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the standard meaning of 4C here? I would imagine it is a GF. Sure, ... agreeing diamonds. And because 4D would be GF as well,4C is a splinter. With kind regardsMarlowe 4D would be GF? why? I guess it is a matter of partnership agreement, but at least I would prefer to have a forcing raiseavailable, which would allow to investigate 6D,if one already plan to play 5D, instead of stoppingin 4D, when this is the last makebale spot.Depending on agreement, 4D is quite often playedas aceasking for diamonds. Besides, ... 4D bypasses 3NT, without making astrong effort to play 3NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexlogan Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 4♣ is an excellent, descriptive bid, but partner had no opportunity to bid notrump, given that he obviously wasn't strong enough to bid 2NT over 2♣. He may still have stoppers and 9 tricks is still easier than 11. Ideally we could bid 3♠ with this sort of hand, urging partner to bid 3NT if he has clubs stopped. But I wouldn't try that one even with discussion. I'll settle for 3♦, knowing it is an underbid. It's hard to show distributional raises of minor suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechcold Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the standard meaning of 4C here? I would imagine it is a GF. Sure, ... agreeing diamonds. And because 4D would be GF as well,4C is a splinter. With kind regardsMarlowe 4D would be GF? why? I guess it is a matter of partnership agreement, but at least I would prefer to have a forcing raiseavailable, which would allow to investigate 6D,if one already plan to play 5D, instead of stoppingin 4D, when this is the last makebale spot.Depending on agreement, 4D is quite often playedas aceasking for diamonds. Besides, ... 4D bypasses 3NT, without making astrong effort to play 3NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Say you have ♥2 instead of ♥Q. What bid would you make?3♦ in competitive auction is obviously not enough. There ara a lot of similar sequences:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Say you have ♥2 instead of ♥Q. What bid would you make?3♦ in competitive auction is obviously not enough. There ara a lot of similar sequences:1 3D. 5D is a long way to go, if 5D makes,partner will make another move. And if you think 3D is not enough, althoughgiven that you only would have 8 loosers,go ahead, bid 5D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 4D feels like the right value bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I would bid 5♦, not sure where else we are going. If we have slam I don't see how we can bid it confidently without getting too high on other hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Everyone else is trying for slam and I'm trying for partscore :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I would force to game. 4♣ is a bid of a stretch* but in the unlikely case that partner forces to slam over that, I don't think it will be wrong. *I liked my typo so much that I will leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrigg Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I voted for 4♣, but my personal preference is 5♦, which is not in the poll. Its a shot in the dark but I really dont see how the alternatives are any better. Its not going to be easy for partner to judge what to do over 4♣ or 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I can't imagine settling for a partscore here: my hand has grown into a full opener. Imagine Kx Kx KQJxxx xxx and game is good enough to bid even white. Axx Kx KJxxxx xx and slam is reasonable even on their best lead of a spade. And so on. To me the choice is 4♣ or 5♦, and I opt for 4♣. But this is a matter of style: for me, 4♣ establishes the GF but is NOT a strong slam try: cues below game indicate willingness to cooperate if partner is interested, not strong interest myself... if I have the latter hand, then I will try again over a signoff with a really strong hand. Thus, I am in a cooperative state here, not a strong slam move. That seems to me to be a far description of my suitability for slam: he will be encouraged by the heart K and the spade A, and will usually be discouraged otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Everyone else is trying for slam and I'm trying for partscore :o One of these day's you'll learn to be aggressive in your game bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 What's the standard meaning of 4C here? I would imagine it is a GF. Sure, ... agreeing diamonds. And because 4D would be GF as well,4C is a splinter. With kind regardsMarlowe 4D would be GF? why? We play that almost all free raises to 4minor is forcing. This simplifies slam bidding. The only exception I can think of would be 3minor (Pass) 4minor. This means all jumps to 4minor are forcing. A non-jump after competition either directly in front of us or from our LHO and a pass from partner is always just competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I am going to game but slam is easily possible opposite ♦KQ, a fitting heart honour and an ace (probably the ♠A) so I make a try with 4♣. If we are on the same wave-length this would show a club shortage and diamond support. We would double to try for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I'd bid 5D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Playing IMPs, all white ♠xxx ♥AQxxx ♦Axxx ♣x Partner opens: 1♦-(P)-1♥-(2♣)2♦*-(3♣)-? 2♦ usually denies holding 3-card ♥ support. Looks like another tough bidding hand where we might cuebid or double.I will try the cuebid this time, not sure what hand double promises on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Everyone else is trying for slam and I'm trying for partscore :o My feelings exactly. 3♦ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Well 3♦ and not 4♦ is the right bid to try for a part-score. I can't help but think that this is a serious underbid: 1. Partner's 2♦ bid surely shows six 2. We have aces 3. We have a singleton 4. Our honours are all in our long suits 5. The opponents bid and raised clubs - while it is not impossible that partner has some club honours it is less likely on this bidding 3♦ is something I would bid with a six-count with four diamonds - perhaps the same hand with no ♦A. So I think that is significantly pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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