Cascade Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think 5♥ showing a heart card and 5♠ showing good trumps with nothing to cue is fairly standard and probably should apply on this auction. However there are often two types of slam hand at this level: 1. Where you need extra values for slam 2. Where you need just a specific control for slam We have been experimenting with lots of simply quantitative raises to 5Major to ask for general extras (or partner do you like your hand) when we do not have the room to explore more scientifically at a lower level. So far it has worked reasonably well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I am interested in auctions that can stop somewhere other than after a 2NT rebid by opener (or maybe via a transfer after 2NT by opener).Af "Standard" is to play 2C openers forcing through 2N. So If the auction starts 2C-2H2S-? Responder is forced to bid on xx xxx xxxx xxxx. My preferred agreement after 2C-2H is less aggressive about bidding games, and I play that all rebids are NF (except 3H/3S) by the 2C-opener but sort of suggest strongly for partner to bid if he can. This has come up a few times and despite the "this is stupid" reactions I usually get from people, it has paid off more than not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 If you describe 2♦ as GF does that mean that 2♣ was not GF? I am interested in auctions that can stop somewhere other than after a 2NT rebid by opener (or maybe via a transfer after 2NT by opener).I think that the std treatment for 2♥ immediate 2nd negative, and thus 2♦ as gf, results in the 2♣ auction being forcing to 2N, if opener rebids 2N, or to 3♠ if opener bids 2♠, or to 4 minor if opener bids 3minor or to game if opener bids 3♥. This is because opener may have a pure gf 2-suiter, so that the partnership cannot allow the auction to proceed 2♣ 2♥ 3♥ pass. In my partnerships, the result is that we tend to need stronger hands for a minimum 2♣ opener with hearts than we do with spades. We also tend to open or rebid 2N (after a 2♣ opening) on many borderline hands with 5 hearts, whereas we are less likely to conceal a 5 card spade suit. So 2♣ 2♥ 2♠: we can stop in 3♠ but not below that 2♣ 2♥ 2N: obviously passable, and we can get out over stayman or transfers 2♣ 2♥ 3♣/♦: forcing to 3N or 4 of the minor 2♣ 2♥ 3♥: game force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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