pclayton Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 You pass with this collection at red on white: ♠x♥Kxxxx♦QJTxxx♣x LHO opens 1♠ and RHO tries a natural, GF 2♣. 6-5 come alive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 This is a good spot to pass and not warn them of bad breaks/pick off partners holdings. There is not really any value in doubling in this situation imo. If the colors were different and a save was possible I would bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I would bid at any other colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I also pass. It is only appealing to bid one of the suits and as I don't have a really strong preference for a diamond lead I think there is little use to bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 There is not really any value in doubling in this situation imo. You're right. That's why I bid 2NT :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 This is a good spot to pass and not warn them of bad breaks/pick off partners holdings. There is not really any value in doubling in this situation imo. If the colors were different and a save was possible I would bid.Agreed. There seems to be a high likelihood that the opps will bid to a poor spot, if we keep silent. We bid, and they are warned both in the auction and in the play. Sure, this could be wrong, but the percentages, and the vulnerability, suggest letting them hang themselves if possible. As for perpetrating the unusual 2N, when down 2 is a likely loss and down 3 a probable disaster, colour me chicken. I can just imagine partner sitting there with Q109x xxx xx J109x and having to bid 3♥ after opener doubles 2N :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 mikeh: why am I supposed to be dbled when they got a dbl fit? (and a black slam.. lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I did an unusual 2N yesterday over 1♣-1♠ with 1-5-6-1. P was 5-2-1-5 of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 That's because you're unlucky. I always seem to find pard with a 4333 B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 There is not really any value in doubling in this situation imo. You're right. That's why I bid 2NT :) I actually posted this 'problem' as an instructional exercise. I was going to put it into the B/I, but I thought that would have made it too obvious. We are RED on WHITE. We don't hold the spades. The chances of us buying this contract for 4♥ or 5♦ doubled and it being profitable are zero. Bidding simply gives the opponents information they aren't entitled to. Do you think it mattered? My pard bid a very ill-advised 2♦. This time, the 2♣ bidder flies into 7N with the spade suit of ♠Kxxxxx opposite ♠AJx. The contract relies on finding the Q and with pard's call, it wasn't too tough to hook me. If you pass, you will either push the board in 6♠ or you will win 14. He isn't picking up the spade suit if you are silent, although in fairness he might, since pard isn't leading a stiff trump against a grand. Why would anyone do that? ( :P ) Bidding was an expensive lesson and a loss of 11. Lesson learned for him (I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik1998 Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I will Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 2NT. "6-5, come a live" that was my plan,thats why i passed the first time. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: There are lessons to be learned, and ittakes time, sometimes one needs to get burned more than once.Of course, if you get burned to often, your brain may have been evaporated duringthe trial period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 There is not really any value in doubling in this situation imo. You're right. That's why I bid 2NT :) I actually posted this 'problem' as an instructional exercise. I was going to put it into the B/I, but I thought that would have made it too obvious. We are RED on WHITE. We don't hold the spades. The chances of us buying this contract for 4♥ or 5♦ doubled and it being profitable are zero. Bidding simply gives the opponents information they aren't entitled to. Do you think it mattered? My pard bid a very ill-advised 2♦. This time, the 2♣ bidder flies into 7N with the spade suit of ♠Kxxxxx opposite ♠AJx. The contract relies on finding the Q and with pard's call, it wasn't too tough to hook me. If you pass, you will either push the board in 6♠ or you will win 14. He isn't picking up the spade suit if you are silent, although in fairness he might, since pard isn't leading a stiff trump against a grand. Why would anyone do that? ( :) ) Bidding was an expensive lesson and a loss of 11. Lesson learned for him (I hope). Thanks for the lesson, but you only told half the story. Since you're so good, I'm sure you can dig out the other half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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