tomb3113 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 1♥-pass-pass-1♠pass-1NT 1-What s the range for the 1NT bid? 2-KTxxx Ax QTx QJTHaving balanced with 1♠ what s your bid over 1NT? 3-partner raise your 1NT to 2NT what s your bid with Qx Q9xx KJx Kxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 1 - My range for 1NT would be about 9-12.2 - 2NT3 - 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 1. 9-122. 2NT, especially considering the good minor honor positioning that is likely here. Just picture like A9xx of clubs or AJxx diamonds in partner's hand, mmmm3. 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 1) 8-122) Pass.3) 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 depends on the scoring and the vulnerability, since both factors impact how aggressively I expect partner to balance. Having said that, the variance isn't great. At imps, red v white, 1♠ has a higher minimum than at favourable mps. 1) 1N = 8+ to a horrible 13, so I am really with josh on 9-122) ugly 12 tho it is, it has some potentially useful spots and partner will often be able to play almost double-dummy (which sometimes means only that he knows early on that the contract is hopeless). At mps, pass and take the plus. At imps, white, very close, but I'd raise. At imps red, I'd bid 2N3) at all scoring and vulnerability, 3N... I have a near max, and 2N asks me to bid with average plus values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomb3113 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Everebody agrees but this lead to play an hopeless 3NT on 23hcp... -In balancing lawrence says that 1NT shows 9 to a bad 12...so i think that the hand with 5 spades and 12 hcp is a clear pass over 1NT...24hcp max with no insurance of a fit. -On an other hand the 1spade bid is limited to 14pts so why should you take a bid with 9-10pts when you know there is no game. My partner thought that the 1NT should show 11-12+ and therefore invite to game and if we follow his thought the hand with qx in spade and 11 soft pts is a clear pass of 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 It doesn't look hopeless. What was the lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 It doesn't look hopeless. What was the lead? Hmm, it looks pretty hopeless to me on a heart lead (assuming responder doesn't have an ace). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomb3113 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Heart lead to the king and heart back...now the heart are set up and you still have to loose 3 aces and the jack of spade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Both players are simply minimum for their actions (balancer for his invite, his partner for his acceptance) and still game has chances. If I never reach a worse game than this again, my results will certainly improve. Besides, you have to admire the honesty when both hands are known and we can see game is not good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Huh? Jdonn you say the range is 9-12 then you invite with a bad 12? Do you invite over a 14-17 NT with 7 as well :D? Of course I know this is different because you're banking on knowing how to play the hand form the auction but I think moving over 1N with this hand is just going too far. I will come out and say it...I would not have thought of raising with this hand! Agree with the 9-12 range though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 #1 10-12, oppossite a non bal. 1S overcall it would be 6/7-9, since partner borrowed a king, ... do the math#2 2NT#3 Pass, min. for the 1NT call With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 It doesn't look hopeless. What was the lead? Hmm, it looks pretty hopeless to me on a heart lead (assuming responder doesn't have an ace). Am I looking at the hand wrong? As long as responder doesnt have like Axxx of diamonds then it has decent chances on heart honor leads which is what will happen a lot of the time. Certainly not hopeless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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