What Now

[catch22]

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s7hakj96djt9cq976]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P-(2♠)-X-(XX)

P - P - ?[/hv]

 

Do you agree with the double?

How do you play pass by partner?

What now?

[Apollo81]

When I have an agreement about passes of redoubles, it is that they are for penalty if:

 

(1) our suit is well-positioned behind theirs, or

(2) auction is at the 2-level, and they have not bid and raised, or

(3) auction is at the 3-level

 

With no agreement, you are guessing, although I would expect a good player to want to defend here. I would probably pass.

[whereagles]

1. yes

2. to play

3. pass

[P_Marlowe]

#1 yes, my regular partner would not

#2 no preference

#3 3H

 

It would be harder, if partner would not

be a passed hand. In this case, it could

very well be, that he is interested in playing

2S, but in the given situation I doubt it.

 

If we regular encounter people, who psych

the XX, we may change our agreement.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: My first question would be, what does XX

mean, it is always a great idea to ask about X

and XX, at least in germany, because X, XX and

Pass wont be alerted.

[Finch]

1. yes

2. to play

3. pass

what he said (wow!)

[skjaeran]

1. yes

2. to play

3. pass

what he said (wow!)

Ditto

[whereagles]

You guys agreeing with me?

 

Here, you might want to check your temperature.. :)

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Clinical_thermometer_38.7.JPG/180px-Clinical_thermometer_38.7.JPG

[655321]

1. yes

2. to play

3. pass

Agree.

I play pass at the 2 level by partner is always to play. Pass at the 1 level is only to play when you pass sitting over the trumps. Under the trumps pass is nothing to say.

[Guest Jlall]

I would never pass undiscussed, would anyone really do that? You guys have balls lol. I think most people do not play this as a penalty (even though I think it should be penalty). If I was playing with a regular partner I would pass it out, but wayyyyyy too scared with a random.

[ArtK78]

It is my understanding that passes of redoubles after preemptive openings are for business - otherwise, the partner of the preemptor could insert a psychic redouble anytime he felt that the takeout double was going to be passed out.

 

If I have had an opportunity to discuss this with a partner, that is certainly my choice.

 

Passes over redoubles at the one-level pass the buck - they say that the passer has no clear action, but it is DEFINITELY NOT for penalties.

 

However, after a preemptive opening bid, the situation is different. The frequency of a penalty pass is higher. So one must not let the opponent's redouble change the meaning of our call.

 

I have a strong belief that this treatment is close enough to being universal among experts that I would assume that the pass is for penalties even if we have not discussed it.

[Fluffy]

I don't think we have enough for the first double, but that's just me :D

[whereagles]

I would never pass undiscussed, would anyone really do that?

Well, if LHO is talking serious, 3♥ is probably gonna be a bloodbath, so we might as well try our luck in 2♠ rdbled :)

 

But yeah, I agree I'd probably pull to 3♥ opposite a random. My pass was done assuming pet pard (that's what the poster asked).

[whereagles]

1. Passes over redoubles at the one-level pass the buck - they say that the passer has no clear action, but it is DEFINITELY NOT for penalties.

 

2. However, after a preemptive opening bid, the situation is different.  The frequency of a penalty pass is higher.  So one must not let the opponent's redouble change the meaning of our call.

1. In Europe, it's common to play

 

(1x) dbl (rdbl) pass

 

as to play. Especially if x = minor. This is probably the only situation were you'd want to play pass as "no preference". At the 2+ level or in the case of

 

(1x) pass (pass) dbl

(rdbl) pass

 

this certainly is to play, since pard has his cards over opener's.

 

 

2. Especially if opps are walruses, to whom "weak 2 = 6-10 hcp, 6 cards", regardless of suit strength :)

[whereagles]

I don't think we have enough for the first double, but that's just me :)

yes :)

[rbforster]

To play... especially if opps are walruses, to whom "weak 2 = 6-10 hcp, 6 cards", regardless of suit strength :)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply about walruses, and I probably don't want to hear what you call the folks playing "weak 2 = 3-8 hcp, 5+ cards" either!

[Codo]

1. In Europe, it's common to play

 

(1x) dbl (rdbl) pass

 

as to play. Especially if x = minor. This is probably the only situation were you'd want to play pass as "no preference". At the 2+ level or in the case of

 

(1x) pass (pass) dbl

(rdbl) pass

 

this certainly is to play, since pard has his cards over opener's.

Your example 1. is defenitly not standard as to play where I live. It is "no clear call".

 

And Nr 2 is doubtfull too. Without an agreement I would never ever pass. XX for business may be the best idea, but surely not without agreement.

[whereagles]

it would help if you say where u live :)

[Fluffy]

Escandinavia :)

 

In Spain direct pass over 1 level redouble is taken as no preference by everyone, but I think anything else is penalty.

[whereagles]

Well, that's strange. The SEF book, played in iberia and france, recommends the "to play" interpretation. Which is probably a better one because at least it is consistent: "all passes of business rdbls are to play" :)

[helene_t]

Never heard of anyone playing pass as to play at the one-level. Beginner's learn to play it as "no preference". Experts play it that way, too.

 

Not sure what "standard" is at the 2-level.

[gwnn]

To play... especially if opps are walruses, to whom "weak 2 = 6-10 hcp, 6 cards", regardless of suit strength :)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply about walruses, and I probably don't want to hear what you call the folks playing "weak 2 = 3-8 hcp, 5+ cards" either!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Mollo ?

[gnasher]

Here in Fantasyland, sometimes regarded as part of Europe, pass means "no preference" after 1x dbl rdbl, and also after 1x pass 1y dbl rdbl.

[skjaeran]

In Norway it's standard that 1x - X - XX - p is no preference.

Some play it as penalty - I have done so - but not many.

 

Last time I looked, we were part of Europe (though not EU), so saying pass as penalty is standard in Europe isn't correct. It may be in parts of Europe for sure.