rogerclee Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 All Red, MPs [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sxh9xxdq8xxckj9xx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]Sitting south, the auction goes:(1♠)-DBL-(4♠)-P(P)-DBL-(P)-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 the most clear-cut 4NT ever dood. pd's short in spades, we're short in spades.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 the most clear-cut 4NT ever dood. pd's short in spades, we're short in spades.... Well, I did pull at the table. I think 4N vs 5♣ also isn't that clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 the most clear-cut 4NT ever dood. pd's short in spades, we're short in spades.... Well, I did pull at the table. I think 4N vs 5♣ also isn't that clear.4NT looks right - partner can bid ♣ with equal length in the minors.But, in practice 5♣ is likely to work just as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I don't see why you don't just bid your 5 card suit instead of making partner clairvoyantly choose between a suit you have 4 to the Q in versus a suit you have 5 to the KJ in. Or am I the only person who can see a 5th club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Partner can have 2 clubs and 4 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I don't see why you don't just bid your 5 card suit instead of making partner clairvoyantly choose between a suit you have 4 to the Q in versus a suit you have 5 to the KJ in. Or am I the only person who can see a 5th club? Because partner could have a lot of shapes, such as 2452, 3442, etc. Becuase if you bid 4N you will never get to the wrong fit given that you would rather find a 4-4 than a 5-3. If partner has equal length in the minors he will bid 5C, if he doesn't he won't. It's not a very hard concept to understand. 4N is absolutely 100 % clear if you are going to bid, and I think bidding is fairly clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hi, Pass, but if you dont pass, than 4NT is clear cut, at least you improve the chance that you reach the correct contract. Personnally I would pass, ... but dont mind 4NT,if we pass, we will most likely go plus, which isnot so clear, if we try to play a contract on the 5 level. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 4NT seems canonical :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Because partner could have a lot of shapes, such as 2452, 3442, etc. I would be disappointed if p had three spades. But agree with the rest of the reasoning, 4N is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Because partner could have a lot of shapes, such as 2452, 3442, etc. I would be disappointed if p had three spades. But agree with the rest of the reasoning, 4N is obvious. I would be too but it is not some kind of lock that the opponents have 10 spades for 1S X 4S. It is very common to bid 4S with 6-4 and 5-4-4 or a few 5-4-3-1's seem possible as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'd pull to 4N. For those that put stock in the law of total tricks, it seems to support this decision as partner's average spade length will be about 1.8 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 4NT seems more or less automatic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 While I'm now convinced that 4NT is better than 5♣ for most shapes of minors that partner can have, I'm curious why you all believe partner will bid ♣s if he has equal length in the minors. Surely 4N asks partner to bid his better minor and doesn't that mean with equal length, he will choose the one he has strength in rather than automatically ♣s? ♦AKx ahead of ♣Qxx, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 While I'm now convinced that 4NT is better than 5♣ for most shapes of minors that partner can have, I'm curious why you all believe partner will bid ♣s if he has equal length in the minors. Surely 4N asks partner to bid his better minor and doesn't that mean with equal length, he will choose the one he has strength in rather than automatically ♣s? ♦AKx ahead of ♣Qxx, etc? 5♣ gives you the option of converting to 5♦ (whatever that means). Probably a conversion to 5♦ would mean that you have both red suits. If p bids 5♦ and you convert to 5♥ to show hearts and clubs, p cannot go back to clubs. So at least with 2344 it is clear he should bid 5♣. With 1444 it seems not to matter, but if you agree also to bid 5♣ with that hand, it makes your decision to bid 4N easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Surely 4N asks partner to bid his better minor and doesn't that mean with equal length, he will choose the one he has strength in rather than automatically ♣s? ♦AKx ahead of ♣Qxx, etc? No, your concern should not be getting to the stronger of 2 8 card fits (which will rarely matter, and sometimes when it does matter it's because you should be in the WEAKER one anyways), your concern should be with getting to your longer fit as often as possible with 2 unequal fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Obvious 4NT. More interesting question with ♦+♣ reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 While I'm now convinced that 4NT is better than 5♣ for most shapes of minors that partner can have, I'm curious why you all believe partner will bid ♣s if he has equal length in the minors. Surely 4N asks partner to bid his better minor and doesn't that mean with equal length, he will choose the one he has strength in rather than automatically ♣s? ♦AKx ahead of ♣Qxx, etc? Hi, first of all 4NT asks partner to bid his longest minor.In the given auction partner may well be bal., and he certainly did not promise 44 in the minors.4NT will ensure, that you reach a 8 card fit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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