kfay Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=saxxxxhxdkqxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1♥)-3♦-(Dbl)-?[/hv] What's the gameplan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 after the mandatory ramblings of "depends who partner is, depends what he wjos with", I'd bid 6♦ most of the time and 5♦ with more imaginative partners. I would not bid any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I would bid 6♦, which could be a good save against game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Yes, 6♦. It would be really optimistic to expect to beat 5 of something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 6D for me too. I'm mildly worried that we can beat 5H with AS and a spade ruff, and another trick, this means 6D becomes very cheap. I would have a nagging feeling if I bid 5D and they competed to 5H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 5♠ if I trust p to take it as a lead direct diamond raise. 6♦ otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 6D for me too. I'm mildly worried that we can beat 5H with AS and a spade ruff, and another trick, this means 6D becomes very cheap. I would have a nagging feeling if I bid 5D and they competed to 5H. Of course you might not even beat 6..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 5D. Do they have heart fit, maybe, but the guy who made the neg. X most likely denied afit for partner.Do they have a club fit, maybe, but hard tofind out over 5D.Do they have a spadefit, maybe, but they arewelcome to play spade. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Added information. Partner's preempts are quite often suspect. Sitting at the table you feel the odds are in favor of the opponents' making 6X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Added information. Partner's preempts are quite often suspect. Sitting at the table you feel the odds are in favor of the opponents' making 6X. The odds are in favor of partner holding a singleton spade or another trick somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Added information. Partner's preempts are quite often suspect. Sitting at the table you feel the odds are in favor of the opponents' making 6X. Just because they may make 6?, doesnot mean they will bid it over 5D.But if they bid it, I guess we are talking about 6H, they will also bid it over 6D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 suspect as in having outside values or suspect as in xxxxxx and out? not the same, dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 6D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Count me in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 6D looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted January 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I also bid 6♦ at the table but was a little disconcerted at how comfortable I felt doing it. I felt like that opponents would also be quite comfortable and manage fine. They did. I don't quite remember the hand but the long and short of it is that LHO held: [hv=s=sxhaqj10987654dack]133|100|[/hv] and made an overtrick when partner led a ♦ and dummy hit with ♥Kx and the ♣A. Push board. In hindsight I wish I'd bid 7♦, LHO bids 7♥ and now I double for a ♠ lead (we have that agreement). Maybe this is an isolated incident but I've seen about 4 or 5 hands like this and to my recollection preempting at the 7-level was the winning action. At the very least I wish I'd bid 5♠ (SJS) to get a 1-imp gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 The problem with 7♦ is that you the opponents usually are boxed into doubling and you are probably going for 800. If game is the limit on the hand, you've already lost 8 or so. If you are saccing over a slam, then you are only gaining 4. On a really, really bad day, the opponents are taking the push to 6♥ which you are beating with the spade ruff. You just turned a huge plus position (+50) into a huge minus. I think it's pretty weird that LHO had a TEN bagger, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 5♦ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I dont like 7D at all, you have too much of a chance to beat 6H to even want to save over it imo. Even if you cant go spade spade ruff you have a shot of another trick materializing. Not to mention that 6D will usually get doubled, so 7D will just give up another 300 a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Well, discounting the freak hand that our LHO pulled on us in the actual original, as an abstract problem I think I would try to buy it in 5♦ first. I might compete to 6 if opps bid 5M or I might not, depending on my mood, how confidently they bid over me, etc. And yes, I'm fully aware I'm giving them more room to exchange information than a direct 6♦. But I think the chance of buying it in the cheaper 5♦x is worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Well, discounting the freak hand that our LHO pulled on us in the actual original, as an abstract problem I think I would try to buy it in 5♦ first. I might compete to 6 if opps bid 5M or I might not, depending on my mood, how confidently they bid over me, etc. And yes, I'm fully aware I'm giving them more room to exchange information than a direct 6♦. But I think the chance of buying it in the cheaper 5♦x is worth the risk. Can't you say this about just about preempt? Hey, lets just try to buy it a level lower and we'll save a few points, "just in case" they decide to sell out or double us cheaper. Unless you are playing with sheep that are scared of their own shadow, you need to make their life difficult and jam them to the highest extent possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Well, discounting the freak hand that our LHO pulled on us in the actual original, as an abstract problem I think I would try to buy it in 5♦ first. I might compete to 6 if opps bid 5M or I might not, depending on my mood, how confidently they bid over me, etc. And yes, I'm fully aware I'm giving them more room to exchange information than a direct 6♦. But I think the chance of buying it in the cheaper 5♦x is worth the risk. Can't you say this about just about preempt? Hey, lets just try to buy it a level lower and we'll save a few points, "just in case" they decide to sell out or double us cheaper. Unless you are playing with sheep that are scared of their own shadow, you need to make their life difficult and jam them to the highest extent possible. The difference is they are always very likely to double you at the 5 level, people often don't like to bid 5 over 5. So I sort of agree in principle, though I'm not sure what I would bid on the actual hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrigg Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 About 7♦: Generally speaking I really prefer bids that can win in 2 ways, either it was actually right or the opponents pull and end up too high. A bid like 7♦ has only one way to win and most likely they need a making slam in order for it to be right. Thats a pretty narrow target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I dont like 7D at all, you have too much of a chance to beat 6H to even want to save over it imo. yeah, you should NEVER stop pard from entering the bulletin with his underlead of the ♦A, followed by ♠A, ♠ruff :P why, they didn't even make 5 :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.