ArcLight Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Imps UnfavorableLHO passes, pard bids 2NT (20-21), RHO passes You hold ♠Q x x♥Q J x x♦x x♣K x x x You bid Stayman 3C, do you agree? p 2NT p 3♣p 3♦ X ? What do you do?What does pass mean? p 2NT p 3♣p 3♦ X pp p What does pards pass mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 your pass meant you were willing to play 3 diamonds doubled. Partner's pass says that he is also willing to play 3 diamonds doubled. A deeper issue: given that the person making the "lead director" is on lead, they probably have a broken suit that they are not planning on leading. I wouldn't be bothered by it, and would just bid 3NT, assuming you are not playing puppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted January 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 > your pass meant you were willing to play 3 diamonds doubled. Partner's pass says that he is also willing to play 3 diamonds doubled. Really? Then what should you bid?Your pard has no major, you have no fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 1. What does Lebensohl have to do with this? RHO made a lead director when its about impossible for him to be on lead. TYO. To me, pass is vague but probably denies a stop. 2. Who cares what partners pass is? The auction is over. We dont get another shot here. Afterward we'll discuss whether or not my pass shows diamond tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Really? Then what should you bid?Your pard has no major, you have no fit. CSGibson Posted on Jan 27 2008, 07:22 PM I wouldn't be bothered by it, and would just bid 3NT, assuming you are not playing puppet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Imps UnfavorableLHO passes, pard bids 2NT (20-21), RHO passes You hold ♠Q x x♥Q J x x♦x x♣K x x x You bid Stayman 3C, do you agree? p 2NT p 3♣p 3♦ X ? What do you do?What does pass mean? p 2NT p 3♣p 3♦ X pp p What does pards pass mean? 1) agree2) 3nt now...whatever it means.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi, (Not) playing Lebensohl has nothing to do with the given auction. Simply put, with no additional agreementsignore the intervention, i.e. bid the same,what you would have bid without the intervention, which would have been 3NT. A common agreement is, that- Pass shows xxxx in the suit, i.e. some interest in playing- XX shows serious interest in playing the suit- 3H / 3S are natural, showing serious doubt about the existence of a stopper, those bids could be made on 4 cards suit, and will show at most xx in the suit, more likely is a single or a void- bidding the suit is asking for a stopper, ... although this does not play a role in the given auction, since you would be by passing 3NT, and because of this the 3H / 3S bids can be based of 4 card suits With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted January 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 >1. What does Lebensohl have to do with this? RHO made a lead director when its about impossible for him to be on lead. TYO. To me, pass is vague but probably denies a stop. Ok, thats what I had hoped. With a stop I bid 3NT or maybe even redouble. >2. Who cares what partners pass is? The auction is over. We dont get another shot here. Afterward we'll discuss whether or not my pass shows diamond tolerance. He had xxx in Diamonds and 3♦ X was down 1 when we held 28 HCP. :) The overcaller had AKJxx in diamonds and 3NT would have been down off the top had the Doubler lead diamonds and his pard unblocked the Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 To me, the most natural meanings arePass - Hey, let's defend this!3NT - Hey, let's play here. It might be nice for partner if 3NT promised a diamond stop, but without extra methods - I could have as few as 5 points, and partner has a stack - let him figure out the stopper issue. All imho of course. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I don't get the lebensohl reference. I would play redouble = let's play 3DXX, pass with a hand like this. I wouldn't risk it with an unknown beginner though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Double by the player on lead certainly seems strange -- maybe he was trying to suggest a sacrifice if partner also has a bunch of ♦? But this would only make sense if it looks like you're going to play in a major, which is unlikely after opener's 3♦ response (unless you have a way of showing 5-4 majors). If you're going to end up in 3N, he should simply plan to use his ♦ to set you, not sacrifice. It seems to me that you should be able to take advantage of this bad double. Looking at your two little ♦, you're not crazy about playing in 3NT when an opponent has shown length and strength there. If opener is at most 3-3 in the majors, he should either have good enough ♦ that it's not a problem, or you have a ♣ fit (which could be quite good if his shape is 2-3-3=5, and just OK if he's 3=3=3=4). So is there a way to let opener know that there's a possible ♦ problem, and you'd like to try playing in your 4-3 ♥ or 4-4+ ♣ if he doesn't have a ♦ control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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