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Pard Superaccepts!


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  1. 1. your move?

    • pass
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    • 4S
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    • some sort of slamtry
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    • 6S
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It would be nice to know what this super accept shows. I use this jump to show 4 trumps and all side suits controlled max. I know they do not have that hand. So I am guessing a bit but I also know we have now agreed S and will bid 3NT to see if partner is able to cue bid C.
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There was no double of 2 and if you bid 4, helene is right, you will get a club lead against slam. I think just bid 6 and hope for the best. Sometimes too much science is a bad thing.

Same here. Why do I want to give them a clue where their winners are? 6 should be a good contract opposite most superaccepts and 7 is out of the question.

 

A club card isn't necessarily the key to slam anyway.

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Does everyone really play 4D as just a cue bid here?

 

I think it should show a second suit. Partner needs to be able to evaluate secondary honours and ruffing values; if 4D says merely "I have the ace or king of diamonds", how is he supposed to know that xxx-AQx in the minors is bad, and Qxx-Axx is good?

 

To initiate an exchange of cue bids you can bid 3NT, which doesn't have much use in a natural sense and will often be more economical anyway.

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Does everyone really play 4D as just a cue bid here?

 

I think it should show a second suit.  Partner needs to be able to evaluate secondary honours and ruffing values; if 4D says merely "I have the ace or king of diamonds", how is he supposed to know that xxx-AQx in the minors is bad, and Qxx-Axx is good?

 

To initiate an exchange of cue bids you can bid 3NT, which doesn't have much use in a natural sense and will often be more economical anyway.

I play 4x as splinters, and 3NT as slamgoing without splinters that you want to show.

 

What did the superaccept show? I'm used to a minimum hand with 4 trumps. Better hands would bid something else on the way.

 

Opposite a minimum, I will guess to splinter 4 and then pass 4.

Opposite a maximum, I will try 3NT and blackwood to slam over 4.

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Does everyone really play 4D as just a cue bid here?

 

I think it should show a second suit. Partner needs to be able to evaluate secondary honours and ruffing values; if 4D says merely "I have the ace or king of diamonds", how is he supposed to know that xxx-AQx in the minors is bad, and Qxx-Axx is good?

 

To initiate an exchange of cue bids you can bid 3NT, which doesn't have much use in a natural sense and will often be more economical anyway.

Nice idea but I think this Fantasyland.

 

How would we bid with: Axxxxx xx Ax KQ. Im sure we'd all make the 'obvious' 4D cue looking for a heart control before RKC.

 

Even if 4D is interpreted correctly, how is pard supposed to know xx and xxxx is OK but xxx isn't?

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:) I love this hand, and I want to shoot it out at 6, and I would do this in a heartbeat if I had another high card (even a queen) so that the odds favor our having 12 tricks sooner or later. Let the opponents find the killing defense - fat chance. Alas, as it is, we may lose a diamond plus a heart or a club and that would be that.

 

Surrounded by teammates who know what they are doing, I'm in favor of just making another slam try - like 4.

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Does everyone really play 4D as just a cue bid here?

 

I think it should show a second suit.  Partner needs to be able to evaluate secondary honours and ruffing values; if 4D says merely "I have the ace or king of diamonds", how is he supposed to know that xxx-AQx in the minors is bad, and Qxx-Axx is good?

 

To initiate an exchange of cue bids you can bid 3NT, which doesn't have much use in a natural sense and will often be more economical anyway.

Nice idea but I think this Fantasyland.

 

How would we bid with: Axxxxx xx Ax KQ. Im sure we'd all make the 'obvious' 4D cue looking for a heart control before RKC.

 

Even if 4D is interpreted correctly, how is pard supposed to know xx and xxxx is OK but xxx isn't?

What is fantasyland? If you play wj2005 f.e. it is more crutial to show second suits and/or shortnesses then just controls- For the reasons gnasher mentioned.

 

And to use 3 NT in this sequence as artifical is no brand new toy either. YOu have heard of trump cuebids and/or serious 3 NT, so this is normal too.

 

 

Btw: Your example is silly. I guess just a minority will bid 4 Diamond. Most will bid 4 Club.

 

But you can have it all: bid 3 NT to ask for cuebids and 4 in a new suit to show a second suit. (Or a shortness if you prefer that.) This works reamrably well in your example and in the actual hand.

 

And this is no fantasy island. There are people out there who play these methods.

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Hi,

 

As always, partnership agreement matters, is

3S the only bid, which shows a super accept,

or did have partner other bids available as well

to show a super accept.

 

You have a nice hand, but you dont know for sure,

if they have 2 cashing Aces, 2 cashing clubs.

So make some slam try, my preference would be

3NT as some kind of serious 3NT, forcing partner

to make a cuebid, which will help you to answer

the above mentioned questions.

 

If you say, sience be dammed, in which case one may

ask, why do you play super accepts anyway, you can

of course bid 6S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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Nice idea but I think this Fantasyland.

 

How would we bid with: Axxxxx xx Ax KQ. Im sure we'd all make the 'obvious' 4D cue looking for a heart control before RKC.

 

Even if 4D is interpreted correctly, how is pard supposed to know xx and xxxx is OK but xxx isn't?

It's not just an "idea". In the UK, whilst it's true that the cue-bid interpretation is the default, I'd expect a significant fraction of good pairs to play something else.

 

I don't understand why you would find it difficult to evaluate xx, xxx and xxxx for slam purposes opposite known length. With a suit headed by AKQ, partner might well have initiated a cue-bidding sequence instead. Therefore xxx is bad, xxxx is a bit better, xx is the best of the three, and something containing an honour would be better than any of them.

 

By the way, if I held Axxxxxx xx Ax KQ on this auction (I've added a trump to make it up to 13 cards), I wouldn't be planning to ask for keycards any time soon. How would that help me to distinguish between Kxxx AJx Kxx Axx and KQJx AJx Kxx Jxx?

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I know Hamman plays his super accepts seperated by "willing to play 3N" and "not willing to play 3N" ie 1N p 2D p 2N=I can play 3N, later 3N bids are natural. In the "cannot play 3N" version, 3N bids are artificial and responder can bid a second suit, in the "can play 3N" version responder has more room so can show his second suit without using artificial 3N. He only likes to bid 2N or 3H for super accepts to eliminate giving away information/Xs of art bids.

 

I think kenrexford (?) also posted about the idea of seperating superaccepts this way, but I could be mistaken about that.

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