Sanity Check

[jdonn]

1♠ DBL RDBL 2♣

P P 3♠

[inquiry]

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

[the hog]

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

Very odd as most would play a 2NT bid by the redoubler as showing a limit raise +. I guess its forcing, but I must admit this is a bid that would not exist with any of my partners.

[skjaeran]

GF 3-card raise.

[jdonn]

You can ignore the question. I always knew it was forcing but my partner passed. That wouldn't matter to me since it's someone who might not have known, but then I asked someone I respect a LOT and he said not forcing, so I posted the question. It turned out someone else was using his login :)

[gwnn]

even I wouldn't pass that, who has passed an exclusion BW after agreeing trumps.

[Finch]

Doesn't sound forcing to me.

That's what comes of living in a limit bidding culture.

Sounds like a limit raise with trhee trumps and poor clubs.

 

You can always bid 3C to force if you want.

[helene_t]

Not forcing, a direct 2♠ would be quite weak so rdbl followed by 2♠ would be less than a limit raise.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I voted forcing, but playing with a stranger,

dont be surprised if he passes.

 

Usually the XX denies fit, at least in a regular

partnership, so the given sequence does not

even exist.

But if one does play with a pick up, one may

well go via XX to show a limit raise, espesially,

if one fears that a jump raise would be

interpreted as preemptive.

 

I have used this way several times, and I was

prepared to apologize.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

I dunno if it's forcing or not, but I'd be too scared to pass as opener :) ;) :)

[MikeRJ]

To me it sounds like a 3 card limit raise (i.e non Forcing)...but then I learned my bridge in Acol land so probably need a sanity check.

 

Mike

[helene_t]

even I wouldn't pass that, who has passed an exclusion BW after agreeing trumps.

I think it was your partner's fault, it's not common to play exclusion in the trump suit.

[pclayton]

Forcing of course. TWO spades is damn near forcing in my book.

[Gerben42]

200% forcing

 

Redouble then jump equals slam try.

[zasanya]

So with a slammish or GF hand with ♠ support it is correct to redouble?

Would it not allow opponents to prempt Say 4NT or something?

[jtfanclub]

Not forcing, a direct 2♠ would be quite weak so rdbl followed by 2♠ would be less than a limit raise.

Huh. How I play it is...

 

Immediate 2♠...pre-emptive 2-3 card raise.

Immediate 2NT...limit+ 4 card raise.

Immediate 3♠...pre-emptive 4 card raise.

XX followed by 2♠...Limit 2 card raise

XX followed by 2NT...Limit+ 3 card raise

XX followed by 3♣....choice of games, do not have opp's suit stopped for NT.

XX followed by 3♠...choice of games, includes opp's suit well stopped.

XX followed by 3NT...GF with 2 card support.

 

Choice of Games includes hands with a slam try.

 

No idea if this is standard or not.

[gwnn]

1♠-x-2♠ as a possible doubleton sounds horrible

[jtfanclub]

1♠-x-2♠ as a possible doubleton sounds horrible

You need one more trick outside of trumps, but I don't really want to debate it here. Just pretend I said pre-emptive 3 card raise there.

[cherdano]

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

Very odd as most would play a 2NT bid by the redoubler as showing a limit raise +. I guess its forcing, but I must admit this is a bid that would not exist with any of my partners.

I think many play 2N as limit+ raise with four trumps. At least I do.

[skjaeran]

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

Very odd as most would play a 2NT bid by the redoubler as showing a limit raise +. I guess its forcing, but I must admit this is a bid that would not exist with any of my partners.

I think many play 2N as limit+ raise with four trumps. At least I do.

So do I... and all I know.

[bhall]

I agree 300% with skaeren: a 3-card fit, game force. With less, I would bid 2♠ after having redoubled.

[Guest Jlall]

F-ing

[Cascade]

Redouble shows about limit raise values

 

and the jump shows extras

 

this must be forcing.

[655321]

200% forcing

100% forcing. :D

[Finch]

Just out of interest, do all the people who think 3S is forcing play that a new suit by responder immediately over the double is non-forcing?

 

I play that redouble shows at least some interest in defending, with a distributional good hand I would just make a forcing bid at the 2-level and describe my hand to partner.

 

So if I had a game forcing spade raise I would not have started with a redouble.