sceptic Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=a&n=sq8432hq75djtckqj&w=st75hkj6da72ca873&e=sj6ht2d86543ct952&s=sak9ha9843dkq9c64]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South 1♣ Pass Pass 1♥ 1NT 2♥ Pass Pass Pass playing sayc with some agreements, we have played before so no pick up partner, but not many advanced agreements Team match the other side go to 4 spades making +1 at imps Q1/. would you overcall 1 spade with Norths hand Q2/. do you agree with 1 heart in the balancing position or do you prefer X Q3/. after the 1NT bid by opener what would you assume she had? Q4/. do you agree with 2 hearts or would you prefer 2 clubs as a cue bid to show 3 card support and 10+ hcp (bear in mind passed seat showing max raise Q5/. What do you take 2 hearts as Q6/. how would you bid these hands over the 1 club opener? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I think N has a double of 1NT, which should be penalty on this auction. Not forced, but certainly interested. Looks to be going off 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 #1 yes#2 I prefer a t/o, because you are too strong for 1H, you are allowed to borrow a king from partner, which would give you 19HCP#3 opener showed a 18/19 NT bal. hand#4 2C should show an opening hand, just because you passed the first time, does not mean you cant hold an opening bid On the theory that partner borrowed a king, you are max. for a single raise, but you have only a single raise#5 competitive, shows some live but not much, given that opener promised half aof the deck, that leaves partner with 5/6HCP#6 1S by North, 2C by South, ending up in 3NT or 4S With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Q1. Easy 1♠ Overcall Q2. Clear balancing double Q3. The meaning of 1NT would vary somewhat by partnership, but it would never show a weak NT with a Heart stopper Q4. 2♥ strikes me as an extreme underbid, especially considering the original pass. I'd like to bid 1♠ natural and forcing Q5. Roughly nine losers with three card support Q6. (1♣) - 1♠ - (P)* - 2♦**(P) - 2♥ - (P) - 2♠(P) - 4♠ * a really aggressive type might raise clubs after a 1♠ overcall (I wouldn't) ** 2♦ shows 5+ Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 another question if south doubles what should north bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 N's initial pass is borderline IMHO. S is too strong for a balancing overcall. Not by a huge margin, but still. Start with X. W's 1NT is a typical beginner's mistake. Too bad it didn't get punished. N might have doubled 1N for penalties after which game would be reached (E runs to 2♦) but 2♥ is not unreasonable IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Q1/. would you overcall 1 spade with Norths hand Yes with most partners, Pass is not crazy though. Q2/. do you agree with 1 heart in the balancing position or do you prefer X Dbl is more flexible with such a strong hand. Q3/. after the 1NT bid by opener what would you assume she had? 18 - 19 HCP, sort of balanced and a ♥ stopper Q4/. do you agree with 2 hearts or would you prefer 2 clubs as a cue bid to show 3 card support and 10+ hcp (bear in mind passed seat showing max raise 2♥ is correct opposite a balancing 1♥ Q5/. What do you take 2 hearts as A constructive raise in ♥, can be quite solid as partner balanced. Q6/. how would you bid these hands over the 1 club opener? 1♣ Pass Pass Dbl1NT Dbl Pass PassPass or if opener does not make the same mistake: 1♣ Pass Pass DblPass 2♠ Pass 4♠Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 1. 1S overcall is not ideal but ok. I personally do not like to overcall weak suits with minimum hands where I am unsure this is the lead I would like. When the suit is S you are likely able to balance later easily. I likely would pass this hand but would not take issue with 1S. 2. I would bid 1H as dble may lead to missing the 5-3 H fit and find the 4-3 S especially here as partner has failed to o/c in S. I do not feel that 1H understates the hand really. If partner is unable to bid something I am not missing anything. 3. The NT rebid indicates 18-19 balanced. West is suicidal to choose this bid. 4. 2H is a tad timid and for me this is a 2C advance. 5. 2H indicates sould raise of H for me. I do not agree that dble is penalty of 1NT and play it simply is competitive showing values. For example how about hands holding 4S 4D 2H and 3C and approximately 8-10 hcp, what are you to do? Passing is not for me. Using double as a flexible call has more advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 1) Never. Unless your 1♠ overcall shows 13 cards. Obviously, most of the posters disagree with this. I really do not understand why they want to overcall a ratty suit on a ratty hand. Most players would not open this hand. Why they want to overcall on Qxxxx is beyond me. 2) I prefer double. An simple suit bid in balancing seat should have an upper limit of about 14-15 HCP. 3) A 1NT rebid by opener after partner passes a one bid (or fails to act after an overcall by opener's LHO) shows a hand too good to open 1NT, i.e., about 18-19 HCP. Apparently, opener doesn't agree with this or is ignorant of this. 4) North should double 1NT. North has to show values. Even if 1NTx makes (and I doubt that it will opposite most balancing hands) it is not game. Given that your side should have almost all of the high card strength outside of declarer's hand, he is playing the whole hand without an entry to dummy. Unless he based his 1NT bid on a long suit (extremely unlikely given your club holding), your side should beat 1NTx, perhaps more than one trick. 5) 2♥ shows about the same as a normal raise of an opening 1♥ bid to 2♥. 6) 1♣ - P - (P) - x(P) - 1♠ - (P) - 2♥(P) - 4♥ - All Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 1. I would pass, I dislike the suit. But I consider to be the minority and would never argue with a partner who bids 1 Spades. 2. I learned here that 1 Heart is limited to 15 or 16 HCPs. Even then it is in the range, so I have no problems with this bid. And opposite to others I like to bid my 5 card majors, so I would do this- intending to show my spade tolerance later if necessary. 3. 1 NT shows 18-19 with a good stopper. 4. Maybe north thought about the rule: Substract a king from your hand and hand it over to the balancing seat. In this case 2 Heart is okay. But I had not used this rule, so I had tried 2 Club. Double is fine too, afteral, they don´t have a running suit, so they should not have enough HCPS to make. 5. 3 Hearts not inviting 6. up to 1 NT doubled or via 2 Club up to 4 Heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Q1/. would you overcall 1 spade with Norths handQ2/. do you agree with 1 heart in the balancing position or do you prefer XQ3/. after the 1NT bid by opener what would you assume she had?Q4/. do you agree with 2 hearts or would you prefer 2 clubs as a cue bid to show 3 card support and 10+ hcp (bear in mind passed seat showing max raiseQ5/. What do you take 2 hearts as Q6/. how would you bid these hands over the 1 club opener? A1. YesA2. Clear-cut 1♥A3. 18-19 balanced or similarA4. 2♣ clear-cutA5. Heart support, ~6-9A6. 1♠ overcall, 2♣ cue etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambolino Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Q1/. would you overcall 1 spade with Norths handQ2/. do you agree with 1 heart in the balancing position or do you prefer X 1. no2. X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 1. Yes, I'd overcall 1♠ with this hand.2. The high card strength is there for a double, but I prefer 1♥ with this ratty suit - double followed by a heart bid later should show a real suit.3. The 1NT rebid should show 18-19 or a hand with similar playing strength.4. North has an obvious double of 1NT.5. 2♥ shows a weaker hand.6. (1♣) 1♠ (p) 2♦ (transfer) (p) 2♥ (p) 3♠ (p) 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 1) 1♠. Clearcut in my style.2) Prefer 1♥. Double + ♥'s is awkward on such a bad suit, and I'm minimum for that action anyway.3) 18-19 or tricks.4) 2♣. Not comfortable with double here opposite a reopening. Partner is supposed to pass this with all balanced or nearly balanced hands.5) 2♥ is up to around 10.6) (1♣) - 1♠ - (pass) - 2♥ transfer, good+ raise(pass) - 2♠ - (pass) - 3♥(pass) - 3NT* - end.* 3♠ also possible, raised to 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 1) Clear 1S overcall. (Unless you have changed your identity to Caspar Milquetoast.)2 Prefer X by the Sth hand, but don't object to 1H.3) Balanced 18-194) prefer 2C5) 2H is a tad weaker than you have, but not much6) 1S overcall, 2C cue etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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