pclayton Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 ♠AJxx ♥J ♦xxx ♣KJ9xx White, Imps - short tg. Pass by you, 1♦ pard - 1♠ you - 2♠ pard. Invite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Yes, but I think this is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Invite. 3♣ or 3♥, depending upon what game tries apply. Or even 2NT if we've got a decent response structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Seems clear invite to me. Might be a game bid opposite mike777 half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Yes definitely. Plenty of minimum holdings for p will make game so whatever long/short/help suit game try is, use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I would pass, only if the methods allowed to show invitational with heart shortness I'd think of inviting, but here, game wll be horrible anytime partner has a heart honnor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 If the raise always showed 4 I would bid game, but if it might be 3 I would just invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades. Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive. I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades. Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive. I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make? Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses. I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades. Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive. I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make? Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses. I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either. strange 1D opener by pard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades. Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive. I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make? Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses. I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either. strange 1D opener by pard! Oh I just saw I made a typo. It was a 1♥ call. Does that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Even before seeing both hands - a clear invite. Our 2S bid could be a 3 carder, so will bid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either. Perhaps not, but if partner has only three spades and wants to reject your game try, he will bid 3S and you will pass, won't you? Even when he has enough to accept the game try, I can't see 3NT being the best spot very often. Do standard methods allow you to reach 5D when it's right? Edit: Corrected misattribution of the quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Invite or blast 4S to steal no info is my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Yes, invite, ... 3C, showing values. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either. Perhaps not, but if partner has only three spades and wants to reject your game try, he will bid 3S and you will pass, won't you? Even when he has enough to accept the game try, I can't see 3NT being the best spot very often. Do standard methods allow you to reach 5D when it's right? uhh you should check before you quote people :D I never wrote this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I play that 2NT (art F1) and 3 of opener's suit (NF inv) shows exactly 4 spades and new suits shows 5+ spades. 4-3's can be ok, but we should know what we are doing. In my usual style of very aggressive openings and 3M raises (strong club context & weak NT), I would pass here. In standard, I would scrape up an invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 uhh you should check before you quote people :D I never wrote this. Sorry - that was very careless of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades. Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive. I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make? Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses. I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either. strange 1D opener by pard! Oh I just saw I made a typo. It was a 1♥ call. Does that matter? Lol, when I decided I imagined a superfit hand with ♠KQ and ♣AQ and saw that it had 4 top losers so didn't wanna invite :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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