Fluffy Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Opponents vulnerable. ♠AKQxx♥Ax♦AQx♣A10x N - S2♦!-3♦!3♥!-4♣4♠-?? 2♦!= major weak 2 suiter (5-4 at least), wide ranged preempt.3♦!= Spade fit limit or plus.3♥!= minimum from THREE posibilities (3♠ would be intermediate, others maximum)4♣ is a normal cue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 This is impossible to answer without knowing more about your agreements. Partner presumably has a minimum without the King of Hearts. However, we have not idea what a minimum looks like. For example could partner table? ♠ xxxx♥ Qxxxx♦ xx♣ xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Let's just hang partner here. 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Let's just hang partner here. 5♠. 5♠ is pointless holding AKQxx of Spade. Partner is guaranteed to hold a miserable trump suit and will never press on. All you're doing is ensuring that you play 5♠ rather than 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I suppose I must pass this one. Otherwise I don't see the point of my 4♣ bid.Personally I would have bid 6♠ over 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Let's just hang partner here. 5♠. Why? I agree with Richard; what is your 5S bid designed to achieve?I pass. This is a very poorly designed responding structure when we can find out nothing about partner's shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Let's just hang partner here. 5♠. 5♠ is pointless holding AKQxx of Spade. Partner is guaranteed to hold a miserable trump suit and will never press on. All you're doing is ensuring that you play 5♠ rather than 4. seeing as nothing is described about the system, 5M is often bid as "let's play slam if you like your hand (in the context of what you've shown up til now)". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Let's just hang partner here. 5♠. 5♠ is pointless holding AKQxx of Spade. Partner is guaranteed to hold a miserable trump suit and will never press on. All you're doing is ensuring that you play 5♠ rather than 4. seeing as nothing is described about the system, 5M is often bid as "let's play slam if you like your hand (in the context of what you've shown up til now)". To date partner has shown a minimum hand that couldn't bid either 4♦ or 4♥ over 4♣... Show me this miraculous hand that is going to be able to make a forward going bid over 5♠ that is consistent with the previous bidding and is missing the AKQ of trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 xxxxxQJxxxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Partner has the most minimum hand possible for your system. If he can have poor suit quality in both majors, he does: pass. 5♠ is pointless as others have said. If your methods require that he has a good suit in at least one major, then 6♠ directly over 3♥ would have been correct: there must be a decent play for slam and a grand is out of the question if partner can't show even intermediate values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 xxxxxQJxxxxxx I don't see how opener is supposed to understand that this hand is worth accepting a game try. However is opener supposed to now that Heart cards are critical rather than Spade honors or Diamond shortness or whatever. Moreover, responder would need a ridiculously strong hand for slam to have a decent chance at making. Here responder is tabling the AKQ of trump, three other Aces and the Queen of Diamonds and slam is still 50% on a club lead. I think that its much more responsible to treat 5♠ as a more traditional trump quality ask rather than having it be completely random... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 perhaps it's more sensible but I see no description of it anywhere. anyway, I have to concur, a lot depends on the range of pd. opposite any sane range pressing to 6 is pretty much mandatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I would bid 6 Spade. Yes he has "nothing" green opps. red and he denied a control. But opposite xxxx,QJTxx,xxx,x slam is great, so I cannot pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I think pard is more likely to have JTxx Qxxxx xx xx. I think I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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