jmc Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sk1096h4dq6ckj8653]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1C and opponents are silent throughout.[/hv] Auction is as follows: 1c-1S-2D-3C-3H what is your next bid? Consider your partner is a decent player and you might have once discussed lebensol in this sequence. jmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't know what my next bid is because my previous bid was 4♣, not 3♣.Even though 3♣ is forcing (by agreement) it does not tell partner how happy I am with clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't know what my next bid is because my previous bid was 4♣, not 3♣.Even though 3♣ is forcing (by agreement) it does not tell partner how happy I am with clubs. me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Agree with 4♣ on previous round. Now 4♣, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 At the table I had bid 3 Club, but in that case I had known, what 3 Heart is.Is this a control, a pattern or 4sf asking for stopper? Without knowing this, I better had bid 4 Club last round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 And all of you had better be sure that 4♣ is not a splinter in support of diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 You don't splinter on pard's 5-card suit. At least you shouldn't, because it's statistically unlikely for it to be of interest. Anyway, I'd bid 4NT if pard takes that as RKCB for clubs. If there's a risk of mix-up, 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 3♣ the first time seems right. It depends on agreements what next, whether 3♠, or my preference of 4♦, if you want to be cautious. However, I think I know enough. 4♥ RKCB for clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sk1096h4dq6ckj8653]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1C and opponents are silent throughout.[/hv] Auction is as follows: 1c-1S-2D-3C-3H what is your next bid? Consider your partner is a decent player and you might have once discussed lebensol in this sequence. jmc Hi, Just reformatting 1C-1S2D-3C3H-??? 3S Given that 3C did create a gameforcing sequence, I would nowmake a cue bid, over 3NT I bid4C. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 You don't splinter on pard's 5-card suit. At least you shouldn't, because it's statistically unlikely for it to be of interest. Anyway, I'd bid 4NT if pard takes that as RKCB for clubs. If there's a risk of mix-up, 4♣. I know for a fact that in the original Romex system, either partner could agree to partner's second bid suit by splintering in partner's first bid suit, even when that suit was known to be 5 cards or more in length, i.e.: 1♥ - 2♣*2♦ - 3♥** * Game Forcing** Splinter There is no reason why it cannot be a splinter in this auction or in the auction in this thread when a simple bid in partner's suit is forcing and natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 ArtK, there are solid arguments for playing 2♥ and 3♥ both as raises of hearts (just check page 6 of 2/1 Gitelman thread). You can play 3♥ as splinter, of course. Just that most of the time opener will have hcp wastage in hearts, so splinter becomes kinda pointless most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sk1096h4dq6ckj8653]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 1C and opponents are silent throughout.[/hv] Auction is as follows: 1c-1S-2D-3C-3H what is your next bid? Consider your partner is a decent player and you might have once discussed lebensol in this sequence. jmc Partner has reversed....3c for me is game force 10+...no problem yet.With less I am forced to bid 2nt with this hand. I think 3c is fine...just fine.....Prefer to not cuebid 3s, which just might confuse things. 4c now ..no problem yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Strongly disagree with 4♣ last round. It is clearly natural but it shows much better controls than this. Textbook examples are usually something more like Axxx Kxx xx AQxx. Right now I'll bid 5♣ to emphasize my length, having already shown the values and not having any controls really worth showing. I think 3♣ then 5♣ was the perfect sequence for this hand. 4♣ this round is a lazy bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 ArtK, there are solid arguments for playing 2♥ and 3♥ both as raises of hearts (just check page 6 of 2/1 Gitelman thread). You can play 3♥ as splinter, of course. Just that most of the time opener will have hcp wastage in hearts, so splinter becomes kinda pointless most of the time. Or it could show that there is no wastage, or point out the need to slow things down and play 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'm with jdown again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Textbook examples are usually something more like Axxx Kxx xx AQxx. geez, opposite pard's reverse, that's quite a monster. I don't think I'll ever have that hand :( Still, I agree with you that 5♣ now is probably more descriptive. However, it does have the inconvenience of "preempting" a strong pard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Still, I agree with you that 5♣ now is probably more descriptive. However, it does have the inconvenience of "preempting" a strong pard. Yeah I hate when partners describe their hands beautifully by using all the room available to them, leaving me to make a well informed decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Strongly disagree with 4♣ last round. It is clearly natural but it shows much better controls than this. Textbook examples are usually something more like Axxx Kxx xx AQxx. Right now I'll bid 5♣ to emphasize my length, having already shown the values and not having any controls really worth showing. I think 3♣ then 5♣ was the perfect sequence for this hand. 4♣ this round is a lazy bid. If 4♣ is forcing, I don't think its lazy at all. 5♣ seems misdecriptive and unilateral to me. I would bid 5♣ on something like: KJxx, xx, xx, Kxxxx Personally, I love this hand. In spite of the wasted ♠K, everything is working overtime. Opposite a very typical x Axx AKxx AQxxx 6 is gin. Do you think pard is moving over 5♣ with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Yeah I hate when partners describe their hands beautifully by using all the room available to them, leaving me to make a well informed decision. Indeed. A descriptive leap to 5♣ is especially useful if you have, say AQJxAKxxAxxxx /irony mode OFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmc Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 If you bid 4C partner bids 4D. What do you bid now? jmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 If you bid 4C partner bids 4D. What do you bid now? jmc 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Agree with the bidding this far.Now I jump to 5♣, giving partner a fair description of my hand. He should be able to judge when to pass and when to raise to slam, unless my singleton heart is the key. However, I can't see any other reasonable bid that doesn't misstate my values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 If you bid 4C partner bids 4D. What do you bid now? jmc I knew this question was coming, sigh. :D I hope 4d is rkc for clubs? That is why I bid this way.4nt by opener would be cuebid for Diamonds and opener often has a void somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I like that, opener hasn't blackwooded yet so must have a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The examples hands for partner are getting silly. Did he lose his 3NT card or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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