rbforster Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 The opponents open and respond with a strong jump shift (1♦)-(2♠)-? With what kind of hands would you bid 3♥ or 4♥ here? Stylistically, are these basically preemptive bids, or basically sound bids? Does this qualitative nature change based on the vulnerability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 They have to be preemptive because you don't have points :) 3♥ is more lead-directing and 4♥ shape-showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Thanks to those who voted. Seems like the consensus is that these suit bids are treated as purely preemptive by most. A friend of mine went so far as to say that 3♥ was -1100 and 4♥ was -1400, by way of saying how much distribution one needed to bid in this situation. How would you rate this hand in this situation:[hv=s=sxhqjt98xxdxckj9x]133|100|[/hv]Pass, 3♥, or 4♥? Would it rate a bid at certain colors but not others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'd bid 5H at favourable, 4H at equal and pass at adverse. I'd never bid 3H, because the obstructive benefits are small but it still has the disadvantage that it may help them to play the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 7411? great suit? 4 Heart at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Would probably bid 4♥ except red/white (3♥ only). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't think "preemptive" is the right description. But they both show suits and say little about highcards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 If not preemptive, what then, Han? Lead-directing? Sacrifice-oriented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Yes, I think 3H will often be lead directing. Not that one would often bid in this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 There's not enough values left for "sound" to have any meaning in this sequence. There are still three valuable reasons to bid:LeaddirectingPreemptingFinding a save3♥ could be leaddirecting and looking for a save, while higher bids would be preemptive and looking for a save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 A bid that doesn't take away much space and is made after the opponents have already said a lot about their hands can't be preemptive, it can't preempt anyone of doing anything. If "preemptive" means "(1♣)-(2♠)-3♥ is bid with a similar set of hands as (1♣)-3♥" then that is closer to the truth, but it is still wrong - I would bid on the first auction only if I have a really good suit as the upside (of opponents getting the decisions wrong) is much much smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The upside includes partner leading a heart against a possible 3NT when we have something like Axxx KQJ10xx xx x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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